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RCBO tripping mystery

Former Community Member
Former Community Member
Hello,

Can RCBOs trip if their integral neutral lead is too long?

Went to look at a tripping problem for a customer today, he had a lighting circuit and an alarm system connected to RCBOs that have started tripping.

As you will all know, an RCBO has terminals for the circuit live and neutral, as well as its own neutral that goes to the neutral bar. When I arrived, I found the RCBO neutrals for these two circuits disconnected and taped. I did a quick check by disconnecting the circuit neutrals and putting them directly into the neutral bar in the board, both circuits worked fine, as soon as I put the circuit neutrals back into the RCBOs and put the dedicated RCBO neutrals into the bar, which is how they should be configured, the circuits started tripping.

I noticed that the other circuits, sockets, immersion heater, etc. were also on RCBOs, but the dedicated neutrals for them had all been shortened. It was only the two with long neutral leads that were tripping. I asked the customer’s permission to shorten them to the same length as the ones on the other RCBOs, but he refused; I couldn’t argue with him as it was his property.

Thanks for any advice.

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  • Former Community Member
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    But when can’t-be-arsed amateurs leave the strands 'parallel' (with only the slight construction lay) and doesn't think to bend over smaller conductors, then the force of the screw terminal will damage 2 or 3 of the precious 7 strands of a normal stranded conductor, and a great many fine extra-flexible strands of a tri-rated cable, which may well break at that time or will likely fracture as soon as it needs to be released for testing, alteration, etc.  The effective reduction in cross-sectional area can often create hazardously hot terminations making insulation creep back and softening the remaining strands.

    (Sorry for that off-topic rant, as an inspector I just triggered one of my own hot-buttons…)



    Nobody has run with what I started years ago, link below in case you missed it.

    https://www2.theiet.org/forums/forum/messageview.cfm?catid=205&threadid=56359&messageid=463705


    Regards


    BOD
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  • Former Community Member
    0 Former Community Member
    But when can’t-be-arsed amateurs leave the strands 'parallel' (with only the slight construction lay) and doesn't think to bend over smaller conductors, then the force of the screw terminal will damage 2 or 3 of the precious 7 strands of a normal stranded conductor, and a great many fine extra-flexible strands of a tri-rated cable, which may well break at that time or will likely fracture as soon as it needs to be released for testing, alteration, etc.  The effective reduction in cross-sectional area can often create hazardously hot terminations making insulation creep back and softening the remaining strands.

    (Sorry for that off-topic rant, as an inspector I just triggered one of my own hot-buttons…)



    Nobody has run with what I started years ago, link below in case you missed it.

    https://www2.theiet.org/forums/forum/messageview.cfm?catid=205&threadid=56359&messageid=463705


    Regards


    BOD
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