That might have been me - I put a Schucko socket in a downstairs bathroom to VDE 100 part 11, much to the joy of my local building control, when the ink was barely dry on part P. I later found that this had rattled all the way back to the office of John Prescott before approval, as they were not too sure what to do with it. I suspect most normal sparks would rather not do that.


Since then the approved doc has been revised and the requirements in the UK for notification relaxed somewhat.

(and all mention of HD384 has gone - I suspect with Brexit it is becoming a bit moot anyway )

More on what an HD is here  '384 defines the goals of IEC 60364, which is in turn more or less adapted to create BS7671 in the UK, or VDE standard or french norms or greek Elots or whatever.

The early part P used to say 

General

0.2 A way of satisfying the fundamental principles would be to follow:

a. the technical rules described in the body of BS 7671: 2001, or an equivalent standard approved by a

member of the EEA that includes issuing an electrical installation certificate to the person ordering the

work


(The EEA, or European Economic Area comprises the EU and EFTA. The full scope is:


Austria

Belgium

Cyprus

Czech Republic

Denmark

Estonia

Finland

France

Germany

Greece

Hungary

Iceland

Ireland

Italy

Latvia

Liechtenstein

Lithuania

Luxembourg

Norway

Malta

Poland

Portugal

Slovakia

Slovenia

Spain

Sweden

Switzerland)


As far as BS7671 is concerned you can have any rating of radial you like, so long as fuses and breakers are made in that rating, but the 2.5mm 20A, and 4mm2 30A radials are common for 13A sockets, but you certainly could have a 16A one, or for that matter a 10 A one, or whatever you fancy. Its just not one of the worked examples in the on-site guide, so some thought about floor area served and cable size is required..



However, if I was adding a Schucko to a more normal UK house, I'd probably just do it as a 13A fused spur, and probably in a side by side double box, but note that this is to neither set of regs, but can be easily reverted. (though I did raise the issue of foreign sockets in the recent draft for comment of the next issue of BS7671 it will probably be ignored).

As for mixed lights and power that is quite common - both ways, you find sockets on the lights circuit in the loft for the TV amplifier, and in smaller conservatories and outbuildings, to have one circuit with a few sockets and the light all in one is common, (though that  should be be with the light switch as a fused spur if the circuit fuse/breaker is more than 16A however.)

regards

Mike.

That might have been me - I put a Schucko socket in a downstairs bathroom to VDE 100 part 11, much to the joy of my local building control, when the ink was barely dry on part P. I later found that this had rattled all the way back to the office of John Prescott before approval, as they were not too sure what to do with it. I suspect most normal sparks would rather not do that.


Since then the approved doc has been revised and the requirements in the UK for notification relaxed somewhat.

(and all mention of HD384 has gone - I suspect with Brexit it is becoming a bit moot anyway )

More on what an HD is here  '384 defines the goals of IEC 60364, which is in turn more or less adapted to create BS7671 in the UK, or VDE standard or french norms or greek Elots or whatever.

The early part P used to say 

General

0.2 A way of satisfying the fundamental principles would be to follow:

a. the technical rules described in the body of BS 7671: 2001, or an equivalent standard approved by a

member of the EEA that includes issuing an electrical installation certificate to the person ordering the

work


(The EEA, or European Economic Area comprises the EU and EFTA. The full scope is:


Austria

Belgium

Cyprus

Czech Republic

Denmark

Estonia

Finland

France

Germany

Greece

Hungary

Iceland

Ireland

Italy

Latvia

Liechtenstein

Lithuania

Luxembourg

Norway

Malta

Poland

Portugal

Slovakia

Slovenia

Spain

Sweden

Switzerland)


As far as BS7671 is concerned you can have any rating of radial you like, so long as fuses and breakers are made in that rating, but the 2.5mm 20A, and 4mm2 30A radials are common for 13A sockets, but you certainly could have a 16A one, or for that matter a 10 A one, or whatever you fancy. Its just not one of the worked examples in the on-site guide, so some thought about floor area served and cable size is required..



However, if I was adding a Schucko to a more normal UK house, I'd probably just do it as a 13A fused spur, and probably in a side by side double box, but note that this is to neither set of regs, but can be easily reverted. (though I did raise the issue of foreign sockets in the recent draft for comment of the next issue of BS7671 it will probably be ignored).

As for mixed lights and power that is quite common - both ways, you find sockets on the lights circuit in the loft for the TV amplifier, and in smaller conservatories and outbuildings, to have one circuit with a few sockets and the light all in one is common, (though that  should be be with the light switch as a fused spur if the circuit fuse/breaker is more than 16A however.)

regards

Mike.