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Ripple on low voltage

I look after a small fairground type railway. It is powered via a transformer and full wave rectifier and runs at around 35 volts. At recent inspections it has been noted that it fails as there is around 24 volt ripple on the 35 volt dc, which is not surprising as there is no smoothing. Apparently according to the person undertaking the inspection, who states it is to bs7671, the ripple should be no more than 10% ripple, however I cannot find any such requirement.

Has anyone got any experience of this type of thing, I am loathe to add a capacitor to smooth the dc - it would have to be probably around 0.1F, and ripple current in it could well be a problem.

Any thoughts on this would be appreciated, is there an actual requirement on ripple, or is it OK to just have full wave rectified dc as long as the peak voltage does not exceed the elv limits of 120v dc or 50 v ac rms .
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  • IME, most miniature electric railways use either a live third rail for the positive with the earthed running rails for the negative return (like a miniature version of the Southern region main line electric railways) This system has the merit that the metalwork of the train is fairly reliably close to earth voltage and safe to touch by passerngers boarding/alighting.


    Or alternatively they have the positive on one running rail and the negative on the other rail (like an enlarged model railway) This system requires special rolling stock with the wheels insulated from each other.  It is potentialy less safe since nothing prevents one side of the supply becoming earthed by leakage. If a fault on the train results in the metalwork becoming connected to the now live side of the supply, then anyone boarding/alighting is subjected to the full supply voltage between hands touching the train, and feet touching the ground. This can be dangerous even at very low voltages. Consider a sudden rain storm on a hot day when persons might go unshod. The risks may be much reduced if the train is largely of wooden construction, with metal door handles and the like mounted on timber rather than metal.


    As an aside, the still extant Volks electric railway in Brighton originally used a nominal 50 volts DC supply between the running rails, but was later changed to a live rail with return via the earthed running rails. AFAIK it still uses 50 volts DC and the original rolling stock. It claims to be the oldest electric railway in the world.
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  • IME, most miniature electric railways use either a live third rail for the positive with the earthed running rails for the negative return (like a miniature version of the Southern region main line electric railways) This system has the merit that the metalwork of the train is fairly reliably close to earth voltage and safe to touch by passerngers boarding/alighting.


    Or alternatively they have the positive on one running rail and the negative on the other rail (like an enlarged model railway) This system requires special rolling stock with the wheels insulated from each other.  It is potentialy less safe since nothing prevents one side of the supply becoming earthed by leakage. If a fault on the train results in the metalwork becoming connected to the now live side of the supply, then anyone boarding/alighting is subjected to the full supply voltage between hands touching the train, and feet touching the ground. This can be dangerous even at very low voltages. Consider a sudden rain storm on a hot day when persons might go unshod. The risks may be much reduced if the train is largely of wooden construction, with metal door handles and the like mounted on timber rather than metal.


    As an aside, the still extant Volks electric railway in Brighton originally used a nominal 50 volts DC supply between the running rails, but was later changed to a live rail with return via the earthed running rails. AFAIK it still uses 50 volts DC and the original rolling stock. It claims to be the oldest electric railway in the world.
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