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Reference Methods

Former Community Member
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Wondered what installation reference method people might be using for a T&E cable on a masonry wall that is then covered with plasterboard, ie a typical dot and dab affair. I think "C" is correct as all installation methods involving a cable in contact with a wall and NO insulation map to reference method "C". Wouldn't think the plasterboard or covering the cable with capping would make any difference. I raised the question due to seeing A,B, & C on various other contractors certs.
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  • I suggest to use the cable ratings from case  "C" is a  pretty good  catch all for the common none-insulated wall constructions. Realise that these are all approximations - the annex is informative,  not normative - so you should look at it as a guide and use your judgement, you do not have to follow it if you think it is not appropriate, or to interpolate between similar cases , when you think cables are more or less cooled than the reference case - it is cooling that  is the crux of the issue..


    To that end wires that pass though a few inches of insulation can lose some heat out of the ends a bit - or at least the temperature along the wire does not step instantly from the cold to the hot case as you enter the insulation, rather there is a gradual rise temperature over the first  inch or two going into the lagging or foam  - and things like how tightly the cable fits the hole in insulation have an effect too, and are hard to judge in advance.

    You may find that attaching the cable to a wooden 'heat spreader' means that side is better cooled - wood is not a good thermal conductor, but it is more conductive than the average block of celotex or what have you. A 3 or 4 inch dive in celotex would not worry me on 2.5mm cable or larger.  By the time we are much thicker on the insulation I might be derating or slipping a metal plate or metal capping in there to diffuse the heat out a bit.

    On some insane things I have seen, there have laid pumped liquid cooling pipes intertwined with cables, but it is not funny and is really only  a solution on lab demonstrators and specialist kit where the aggro is justified. (mind you 1mm2 copper is suddenly good for over 50A continuous in a tube of  running water or the right sort of oil...)

    Mike.

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  • I suggest to use the cable ratings from case  "C" is a  pretty good  catch all for the common none-insulated wall constructions. Realise that these are all approximations - the annex is informative,  not normative - so you should look at it as a guide and use your judgement, you do not have to follow it if you think it is not appropriate, or to interpolate between similar cases , when you think cables are more or less cooled than the reference case - it is cooling that  is the crux of the issue..


    To that end wires that pass though a few inches of insulation can lose some heat out of the ends a bit - or at least the temperature along the wire does not step instantly from the cold to the hot case as you enter the insulation, rather there is a gradual rise temperature over the first  inch or two going into the lagging or foam  - and things like how tightly the cable fits the hole in insulation have an effect too, and are hard to judge in advance.

    You may find that attaching the cable to a wooden 'heat spreader' means that side is better cooled - wood is not a good thermal conductor, but it is more conductive than the average block of celotex or what have you. A 3 or 4 inch dive in celotex would not worry me on 2.5mm cable or larger.  By the time we are much thicker on the insulation I might be derating or slipping a metal plate or metal capping in there to diffuse the heat out a bit.

    On some insane things I have seen, there have laid pumped liquid cooling pipes intertwined with cables, but it is not funny and is really only  a solution on lab demonstrators and specialist kit where the aggro is justified. (mind you 1mm2 copper is suddenly good for over 50A continuous in a tube of  running water or the right sort of oil...)

    Mike.

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