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Multiple circuits in a single MCB/RCBO

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Having undertaken some inspections recently I'm finding a lot of older installations with multiple circuits within a single RCBO. Example being 2 light circuits (Upstairs/downstairs) being added to a single B6 RCBO.

The circuit design covers single pendants in each room and some downlights in the kitchen. The majority of bulbs are LED so from a risk point of view would this be unlikely to exceed 6amps. From the EICR however would this be considered C3 in peoples opinions due to risk level with a potential of splitting to separate RCBO's, or should this be C2 as there are technically 2 circuits fed from a single MCB?


Likewise the same installation has a 32amp MCB (RCD protected) supplying a ring final circuit downstairs. When work has been undertaken in the past, an additional radial circuit has been added to the same MCB in 2.5mm T&E. My view on this is that this instantly requires a C2 coding, as the radial circuit feeds multiple sockets (and there is no Fused spur within the radial line) it is not rated for the potential draw and the 32amp breaker will not trip with the overload of the radial line.


There are no spare ways in the board, so am I correct in claiming this would require a new replacement board to accommodate and separate the circuits? Would this be different if the radial only served a single double socket for ease of the wiring?


There appears to be a lot of confusion on when/if its acceptable to add radials to an existing breaker and I wondered if there was any clarity, given that these circuit amendments are historic and retrospective changing to meet current regulations is not essential providing it met previous regulations.


Many thanks

David
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  • I feel that this again is not the way to carry out an EICR. Why the questions, all the answers are in BS7671? Definitions: a circuit. Green gunk is the opposite of overheating, it is an old cable type with a plasticiser that reacts with the copper in the presence of damp. Fitting a new CU: Part P. Which scheme do you belong to? In my view, you should be nowhere near an EICR, because you do not meet even the most simple definition in the Electricity at Work Regulations. The first step to pass is the 18th edition exam, which will require familiarity with the Regulations. If you are carrying out "EICRs" in order to gain repair work, and the EICR is in any way faulty you are laying yourself open to action in a minor case by Trading Standards, and if more serious to criminal charges. The proper next step is to pass C&G 2391, and gain a great deal of experience. When in that position you will be much less keen to do EICRs, they are a minefield, particularly for rented properties where electricity may well be abused, and the result could be very serious.
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  • I feel that this again is not the way to carry out an EICR. Why the questions, all the answers are in BS7671? Definitions: a circuit. Green gunk is the opposite of overheating, it is an old cable type with a plasticiser that reacts with the copper in the presence of damp. Fitting a new CU: Part P. Which scheme do you belong to? In my view, you should be nowhere near an EICR, because you do not meet even the most simple definition in the Electricity at Work Regulations. The first step to pass is the 18th edition exam, which will require familiarity with the Regulations. If you are carrying out "EICRs" in order to gain repair work, and the EICR is in any way faulty you are laying yourself open to action in a minor case by Trading Standards, and if more serious to criminal charges. The proper next step is to pass C&G 2391, and gain a great deal of experience. When in that position you will be much less keen to do EICRs, they are a minefield, particularly for rented properties where electricity may well be abused, and the result could be very serious.
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