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EWR (1989) - just for thought really on the point of decent Engineering Regs in ref. to Acts/Laws/Statute etc

There is no requirement under EWR to work to BS7671  (if that is not true, the following probably is rendered  irrelevant).


Scenario: its 2019 and there is no RCD protection for a socket recently added to an existing circuit. An unfortunate event happens (someone is electrocuted and dies; worst case) whilst using that socket and as a result the person who carried out the work is prosecuted, as it is argued the presence of the RCD would have prevented it happening. It must matter what that someone was doing when using that socket, so perhaps they were using a vac and ran over and already damaged cord (struggling here for a plausible scenario of something that could go wrong with a newly added socket/no RCD combo). Of course if someone was using other pre-existing socket then there is no case.


Under the EWR, how is it possible to prove legally (and reliably) that by working to other 'standards' (if EWR makes no reference to BS7671 - as it arguabky should never) at the time [of design/construction], was  the cause of the event and the person carrying out the work is at fault  ?    Is there ever going to be a case possible due to not having RCD - of course having RCD has additional protection benefits, but so does never ever going outside, so as to not get run over by a bus.


Im just using lack of RCD as an example on working to a standard not being BS7671 ...it could just as easily be someone designed, built and constructed a whole installation to their own standards - how is it legally decided those standards were not 'good' enough under the EWR (if BS7671 is not statutory as argubly it should never be) ?


(this is most likely in the wrong forum, but posted here as current practitioners to BS7671 might like to comment...or not :-)  )

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  • A few years back (well OK it seems only a few years to me), I rewired some domestic properties with BS3036 rewireable fuses in the consumer unit. At the time they were considered "safe".

    MCBs were about - plug in wylex type for example and we`d hear phrases like "Oh they protect you against electric shock/electrocution".

    The mindset of must have an RCD was in its infancy.

    Years later I would be horified to think of considering someone wanting a non RCD circuit.

    Standards and perceived risk change and likewise our opinions.

    The 240 Bang Bang test was the major test of many installers - still is today by some.


    Ref EAWR - someone said to me the Regs state phrases like you must/must not rather than at work you must/must not. Even though the regs themselves are called "at work" the provisions do not mention "at work" therefore apply in non workplaces too.

    Secondly, if you invite someone into your home to do a job (painter, joiner, plumber, carpetfitter) then if becomes his workplace for a time so the EAWR applies anyway.


    I would guess we need to consider what is an appropriate recognised standard today (such as BS7671) not what was considered quite good a few years back.

    BS 7671 is a voluntary code of practice not a statute (except under contract law or that new landlords thingy example) but would we knowingly risk not working to it?
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  • A few years back (well OK it seems only a few years to me), I rewired some domestic properties with BS3036 rewireable fuses in the consumer unit. At the time they were considered "safe".

    MCBs were about - plug in wylex type for example and we`d hear phrases like "Oh they protect you against electric shock/electrocution".

    The mindset of must have an RCD was in its infancy.

    Years later I would be horified to think of considering someone wanting a non RCD circuit.

    Standards and perceived risk change and likewise our opinions.

    The 240 Bang Bang test was the major test of many installers - still is today by some.


    Ref EAWR - someone said to me the Regs state phrases like you must/must not rather than at work you must/must not. Even though the regs themselves are called "at work" the provisions do not mention "at work" therefore apply in non workplaces too.

    Secondly, if you invite someone into your home to do a job (painter, joiner, plumber, carpetfitter) then if becomes his workplace for a time so the EAWR applies anyway.


    I would guess we need to consider what is an appropriate recognised standard today (such as BS7671) not what was considered quite good a few years back.

    BS 7671 is a voluntary code of practice not a statute (except under contract law or that new landlords thingy example) but would we knowingly risk not working to it?
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