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EWR (1989) - just for thought really on the point of decent Engineering Regs in ref. to Acts/Laws/Statute etc

There is no requirement under EWR to work to BS7671  (if that is not true, the following probably is rendered  irrelevant).


Scenario: its 2019 and there is no RCD protection for a socket recently added to an existing circuit. An unfortunate event happens (someone is electrocuted and dies; worst case) whilst using that socket and as a result the person who carried out the work is prosecuted, as it is argued the presence of the RCD would have prevented it happening. It must matter what that someone was doing when using that socket, so perhaps they were using a vac and ran over and already damaged cord (struggling here for a plausible scenario of something that could go wrong with a newly added socket/no RCD combo). Of course if someone was using other pre-existing socket then there is no case.


Under the EWR, how is it possible to prove legally (and reliably) that by working to other 'standards' (if EWR makes no reference to BS7671 - as it arguabky should never) at the time [of design/construction], was  the cause of the event and the person carrying out the work is at fault  ?    Is there ever going to be a case possible due to not having RCD - of course having RCD has additional protection benefits, but so does never ever going outside, so as to not get run over by a bus.


Im just using lack of RCD as an example on working to a standard not being BS7671 ...it could just as easily be someone designed, built and constructed a whole installation to their own standards - how is it legally decided those standards were not 'good' enough under the EWR (if BS7671 is not statutory as argubly it should never be) ?


(this is most likely in the wrong forum, but posted here as current practitioners to BS7671 might like to comment...or not :-)  )

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  • UKPN:

    "The 17th ed permitted the use of PME earthing systems to be connected............

    This is the problem, the "wiring regulations" and its disciples and "experts" are so far down their own road they believe its the law. To say it can be referred to in court is like me saying to my neighbour you can drive at 50mph in our 30mph road. Its nothing to do with me, my opinion counts for nothing. 

    Its the ESQCR and HASWA which will be referred to.

    Why the "wiring regulations" keep getting involved in DNO matters baffles me. I thought they got the message when the "improvement to the DNO network"  fiasco was chucked out.  

    5 years on, they havent accounted for one of the other disasters the unearthed steel fuseboxes on TT. Its left to the manufacturers, DNO to advise the public. 


    The latest shambles? PME discon gadgets. 


    No, just look inside the front cover. You must use you own skill and judgement, (and abide by the law}


    Mind how you go, UKPN


    Interesting, then, why the ESQCR directly reference "British standard requirements" isn't it?


    Yes, legislation is paramount in the considerations of consumers, duty holders, and DNOs, but ACOPs and British Standards have a place in the legislative framework too.


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  • UKPN:

    "The 17th ed permitted the use of PME earthing systems to be connected............

    This is the problem, the "wiring regulations" and its disciples and "experts" are so far down their own road they believe its the law. To say it can be referred to in court is like me saying to my neighbour you can drive at 50mph in our 30mph road. Its nothing to do with me, my opinion counts for nothing. 

    Its the ESQCR and HASWA which will be referred to.

    Why the "wiring regulations" keep getting involved in DNO matters baffles me. I thought they got the message when the "improvement to the DNO network"  fiasco was chucked out.  

    5 years on, they havent accounted for one of the other disasters the unearthed steel fuseboxes on TT. Its left to the manufacturers, DNO to advise the public. 


    The latest shambles? PME discon gadgets. 


    No, just look inside the front cover. You must use you own skill and judgement, (and abide by the law}


    Mind how you go, UKPN


    Interesting, then, why the ESQCR directly reference "British standard requirements" isn't it?


    Yes, legislation is paramount in the considerations of consumers, duty holders, and DNOs, but ACOPs and British Standards have a place in the legislative framework too.


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