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Would it be a good idea to add the fact that the periodic inspection and test resulted in a PASS or FAIL on this label? Should it be redesigned to allow for this?



Z.
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    perspicacious:

    Hence me writing in that post:

    I wouldn't think much of the ethics of my host if they allowed me in as a visitor with a "FAIL" (sic) sticker on the CU.........


    Better not to inspect in the first place then? "Ignorance is bliss." ?


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    But an independent expert that has affixed an informative dated label to your consumer unit that can be inspected by visitors may confirm electrical safety or otherwise.

    So 1st Jan an EICR produced - entirely satisfactory. 1st Feb Mr DIY has a go at adding a socket and moving a light... 1st Mar someone looks at the Label dated 1st Jan ... what should they conclude?

       - Andy.
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    Well, if we like it or not, some folk are already using the existing form of labels in this way, assuming they indicate all is well, not realising just because there is a lable does not mean it 'passed' the last inspection. Which is all it does mean - a label saying 'last inspection date' is nearer the truth than one that my be misread to  imply 'guaranteed safe until'.


    Personally I'd rather we left off the re-inspection date, and just said when it was last known to be working, as others have said, anything might have gone wrong since then. (not just DIY, which everyone assumes is the biggest cause of trouble, but also flooding causing water ingress, mice chewing cables,  and indeed just the failure of components like lighting ballasts or to strike a fashionable note, perishing rubber.)

    previous discussion about meaning of labels

     

    I think he was quite disappointed to find they really mean very little.

    regards Mike.
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    AJJewsbury:
    But an independent expert that has affixed an informative dated label to your consumer unit that can be inspected by visitors may confirm electrical safety or otherwise.

    So 1st Jan an EICR produced - entirely satisfactory. 1st Feb Mr DIY has a go at adding a socket and moving a light... 1st Mar someone looks at the Label dated 1st Jan ... what should they conclude?

       - Andy.


    That it's snowing outside.


    A car M.O.T. certificate is only valid for a few minutes, as a few miles down the road a serious mechanical fault may occur on the vehicle, but the label saying do not open radiator cap whilst engine is hot, has more value and is a good safety measure. So even a valid legitimate E.I.C.R. has very limited time value and can be negated by Mr. D.I.Yer. We can't insure against others' stupidity.


    And while we are on the subject, we are all curious of test results. "This installation should be periodically inspected and TESTED...."


    a, I took my car for its M.O.T. today.


    Did it pass?


    b, We had a spelling test at school today.


    How did you do. Did you pass.


    c. I took my driving test today.


    Did you pass?


    d, My electrical installation has been inspected and tested.


    Did it pass?



    Z.


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    AJJewsbury:
    But an independent expert that has affixed an informative dated label to your consumer unit that can be inspected by visitors may confirm electrical safety or otherwise.

    So 1st Jan an EICR produced - entirely satisfactory. 1st Feb Mr DIY has a go at adding a socket and moving a light... 1st Mar someone looks at the Label dated 1st Jan ... what should they conclude?

       - Andy.


    That it's snowing outside.


    A car M.O.T. certificate is only valid for a few minutes, as a few miles down the road a serious mechanical fault may occur on the vehicle, but the label saying do not open radiator cap whilst engine is hot, has more value and is a good safety measure. So even a valid legitimate E.I.C.R. has very limited time value and can be negated by Mr. D.I.Yer. We can't insure against others' stupidity.


    And while we are on the subject, we are all curious of test results. "This installation should be periodically inspected and TESTED...."


    a, I took my car for its M.O.T. today.


    Did it pass?


    b, We had a spelling test at school today.


    How did you do. Did you pass.


    c. I took my driving test today.


    Did you pass?


    d, My electrical installation has been inspected and tested.


    Did it pass?



    Z.




    Exactly so - in general you should never assume a test in the past is any guarantee of the condition in the present. We don't have specific MOT pass/fail labels on taxis so customers can know they're safe to travel in. In the same way visitors to a property shouldn't be relying on a label. (Perhaps rather they should always assume the worst and supply their own equipment via an RCD plug for example). We should be wary of false reassurance.

       - Andy.


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