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Would it be a good idea to add the fact that the periodic inspection and test resulted in a PASS or FAIL on this label? Should it be redesigned to allow for this?



Z.
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    Do the words PASS or FAIL appear in BS7671?


    Do the words Unsatisfactory or Satisfactory appear in BS7671?


    Regards


    BOD
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    perspicacious:

    Do the words PASS or FAIL appear in BS7671?


    Do the words Unsatisfactory or Satisfactory appear in BS7671?


    Regards


    BOD


    The layman upon reading may understand either option, but with no information can understand nothing.


    PAT labels.


    Z.


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    Easy enough in an EICR is satisfactory, but what if it isn't?


    We generally don't require an EICR to be repeated once problems have been fixed. If the EICR said unsatisfactory, but later one or more certificates or other documentation subsequently addresses the issues raised in the EICR, what words should appear on the label and when? (bearing in mind the the subsequent documentation may be in several parts issued by differing people at different times)


    Also would such a policy "hide" C3s and other recommendations?


       - Andy.
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    AJJewsbury:

    Easy enough in an EICR is satisfactory, but what if it isn't?


    We generally don't require an EICR to be repeated once problems have been fixed. If the EICR said unsatisfactory, but later one or more certificates or other documentation subsequently addresses the issues raised in the EICR, what words should appear on the label and when? (bearing in mind the the subsequent documentation may be in several parts issued by differing people at different times)


    Also would such a policy "hide" C3s and other recommendations?


       - Andy.


    Well, if the label had to show "current" installation status and state the current condition of the installation, and when it was tested,  it would be useful for visitors plugging in electrical equipment. A quick look at the consumer unit confirms safety.


    Z.


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    Well, if the label had to show "current" installation status and state the current condition of the installation, and when it was tested,  it would be useful for visitors plugging in electrical equipment. A quick look at the consumer unit confirms safety.


    I wouldn't think much of the ethics of my host if they allowed me in as a visitor with a "FAIL" (sic) sticker on the CU.........


    Same applies if you replace host with employer and visitor with employee......


    Regards


    BOD
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    I think, like PAT Fail labels, that is rather the point - perhaps it reminds folk to get something done, much like the Gas 'At risk' or ' immediate Danger' notices you sometimes see on gas fires or cookers, usually stuck or tied on in  way  that gets in the way of the controls.- you'd be chittering at the landlord if you moved into a place with one of those, and perhaps something similar  on the electrics ought to elicit a similar reaction..


    However, as per the other threads we have, this is not consistent with the £50 drive-by inspection, and really we would need to set the bar for a fail to be a lot worse than 'not quite to current standard'  or worse 'feels wrong'

    I think the C1 /C2 thing is supposed to do that, but really it is never that simple. - Even the 'obvious' exposed live parts may be more or less dangerous if say a ceiling rose is missing the cover but well out of reach, well it needs fixing, but not turning off tonight,  versus a socket at child finger height with no fixing screws, that needs something doing right now.


    Mike
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    "Same applies if you replace host with employer and visitor with employee......"


    and for the privately owned house where a visiting builder wants to plug in an electrical cement mixer in the garden, or a hair dresser wants to use their own hair drier in the house or the mobile dog groomer wants to plug in their extension lead for their van's electrical equipment. It ain't just work related at an employer's premises.


    Z.
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    Zoom, you may have missed a recent discussion on this point. So when you do a landlord's EICR the 5 years from now date is given irrespective of satisfactory/unsatisfactory.
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    and for the privately owned house where a visiting builder wants to plug in an electrical cement mixer in the garden, or a hair dresser wants to use their own hair drier in the house or the mobile dog groomer wants to plug in their extension lead for their van's electrical equipment. It ain't just work related at an employer's premises.


    Hence me writing in that post:

    I wouldn't think much of the ethics of my host if they allowed me in as a visitor with a "FAIL" (sic) sticker on the CU.........


    No matter how much I wanted some building work done, my hair done, my xxxx machine wants grooming, do these vanity projects entitle me to let these take priority over those visitors' safety?


    Regards


    BOD
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    perspicacious:
    and for the privately owned house where a visiting builder wants to plug in an electrical cement mixer in the garden, or a hair dresser wants to use their own hair drier in the house or the mobile dog groomer wants to plug in their extension lead for their van's electrical equipment. It ain't just work related at an employer's premises.


    Hence me writing in that post:

    I wouldn't think much of the ethics of my host if they allowed me in as a visitor with a "FAIL" (sic) sticker on the CU.........


    No matter how much I wanted some building work done, my hair done, my xxxx machine wants grooming, do these vanity projects entitle me to let these take priority over those visitors' safety?


    Regards


    BOD


    As a non expert, a householder may be unaware of the state of their electrics. But an independent expert that has affixed an informative dated label to your consumer unit that can be inspected by visitors may confirm electrical safety or otherwise. A label that just says that it should just be inspected and tested says nothing apart from that.


    Z.


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