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I just thought of something

I know it`s many years ago that I queried the age old saying that was taught in college etc as to the r1 & r2 cross connection to form a double loop and the statement was made that this gave the exactly the R1 + R2 reading of the whole ring when taken from any point on the ring.

My statement was that this statement was not quite right and the word "exactly" needs substituting with "substantially" (I think the error was about 6% which as 6% of an already small number was not a great worry and it was still a very good approximation fit for use).


Anyway to add to that,,it just occurred to me . If we leave connected and test at a spur then it adds the spur value to the (nearly) ring value so that`s usually OK too.

However that`s only for spurs near to ring midpoint.!

If we had a spur nearer to one ring end than to midpoint it would therefore give a missleadingly large R1 + R2 value.

Not normally an issue but in extreme cases too pessimistic and causing a headscratch.


Off course field errors and instrument errors give missleading readings too.


I`d say once we done the fig 8 for the ring we should really connect ring ends together then test R1 + R2 from ring origin to each spur end to get as truer reading.


I know, I should get out more


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    whjohnson:

    Zoom, I am talking about a ring within a ring - a o being turned into an 8.

    Also, how many of you take the time and trouble to remove the socket fronts in the event of high readings and apply test prods directly to the cable ends?

    How many times have you experienced directly lower readings having done this?.I have lost count of the number of socket outlets which either have worn switches or oxidised plug contacts which have resulted in false positives which suggest high resistance ring faults.


    Good shout I ended up doing exactly this on a recent EICR was getting higher than expected readings at ceiling rose, readings at switch fine, so then I bypassed the switch hey presto good reading the worrying thing is that this property was only 7 years old ?


    Regards Ts


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  • Former Community Member
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    whjohnson:

    Zoom, I am talking about a ring within a ring - a o being turned into an 8.

    Also, how many of you take the time and trouble to remove the socket fronts in the event of high readings and apply test prods directly to the cable ends?

    How many times have you experienced directly lower readings having done this?.I have lost count of the number of socket outlets which either have worn switches or oxidised plug contacts which have resulted in false positives which suggest high resistance ring faults.


    Good shout I ended up doing exactly this on a recent EICR was getting higher than expected readings at ceiling rose, readings at switch fine, so then I bypassed the switch hey presto good reading the worrying thing is that this property was only 7 years old ?


    Regards Ts


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