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Is a QS entitled to sign off an EICR?

Chris Pearson
Open to debate, but I say no.


The whole concept of QS seems to be a creation of NICEIC, but I can see the point of it. If I am employed by DZ Electrical and make a mess of things, the company is vicariously responsible for my errors. I cannot be sued. So it would be in the interests of DZ Electrical to ensure that I am competent to work for them.


However, I suggest that an EICR is personal. The model form in Appendix 6 (page 473) has a declaration, but includes the name and signature of the inspector and tester as well as whoever authorises the report.

651.5 The periodic inspection and testing shall be carried out by one or more skilled persons competent in such work. Skilled person is defined in Part 2. If the identity of the inspector and tester is not disclosed, how may I as the client know that he or she is skilled?


The Electrical Safety Standards in the Private Rented Sector (England) Regulations 2020 require that A private landlord ... must ... ensure that every electrical installation in the residential premises is inspected and tested at regular intervals by a qualified person and qualified person is defined as a person competent to undertake the inspection and testing required under regulation 3(1) and any further investigative or remedial work in accordance with the electrical safety standards.


If the identity of the inspector and tester is not revealed, how could the landlord possibly ensure that he (or she) is qualified?


So, in my opinion, at the very least for a private landlord's report, the EICR must be signed off by the inspector and tester. I might go further and suggest that the report should include the inspector's qualifications.
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    PartP was designed to have no effect on members of "Schemes" by the schemes! It was designed to make more people join a scheme and had nothing to do with competence or safety at all, just filling some bank accounts. Is there any evidence that PartP has improved any safety from accident statistics? No, but if anything they have got a bit worse, not a lot but then there are few accidents anyway.


    I suggest we work it the other way. Electricians who are good and competent probably have qualifications, let us make a public list of those with qualifications, and try to improve the industry with CPD, catchup courses etc, giving real qualifications to those who need them. Not too hard, not too expensive, and effective. We can discuss the levels required later, but it is working in the right direction. You will notice the IET webinars doing this already.


    The hard one is not general installation work, it is EICR work. Do we need the EICR, I think we do. Is it working properly, all good, no problems with the quality of reports? No, it is not, because it is being seriously misused by sharks. Everyone here has seen what is happening in the last week. Has it pricked a few consciences, I wonder? The fix is easy, the inspector or his company or anyone in any way connected, may not repair any defects listed on an EICR. The inspector is therefore isolated from his findings, he does not care if good or bad, except that they are correct. There needs to be a mechanism to report defective reports to the listing body and a comeback and professional code. Just like Chartered Engineers and the IET. If you are doing bad stuff you can be sanctioned, in other words, there are teeth. The biggest sanction would be delisting as competent, most would be very careful to avoid this as their business would immediately collapse.


    I wonder what you all think?


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    PartP was designed to have no effect on members of "Schemes" by the schemes! It was designed to make more people join a scheme and had nothing to do with competence or safety at all, just filling some bank accounts. Is there any evidence that PartP has improved any safety from accident statistics? No, but if anything they have got a bit worse, not a lot but then there are few accidents anyway.


    I suggest we work it the other way. Electricians who are good and competent probably have qualifications, let us make a public list of those with qualifications, and try to improve the industry with CPD, catchup courses etc, giving real qualifications to those who need them. Not too hard, not too expensive, and effective. We can discuss the levels required later, but it is working in the right direction. You will notice the IET webinars doing this already.


    The hard one is not general installation work, it is EICR work. Do we need the EICR, I think we do. Is it working properly, all good, no problems with the quality of reports? No, it is not, because it is being seriously misused by sharks. Everyone here has seen what is happening in the last week. Has it pricked a few consciences, I wonder? The fix is easy, the inspector or his company or anyone in any way connected, may not repair any defects listed on an EICR. The inspector is therefore isolated from his findings, he does not care if good or bad, except that they are correct. There needs to be a mechanism to report defective reports to the listing body and a comeback and professional code. Just like Chartered Engineers and the IET. If you are doing bad stuff you can be sanctioned, in other words, there are teeth. The biggest sanction would be delisting as competent, most would be very careful to avoid this as their business would immediately collapse.


    I wonder what you all think?


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