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B.S. 7671 Compliant Installation but

some can't afford to use it.

Energy bills set to go up almost £100 for 15m households after Ofgem raises cap | Daily Mail Online


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  • And we worry about a short power cut. We here are spolied.

    Knoydart Renewables, Inverie (2021) (govserv.org)


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  • Unless the entire surface of the Earth changes very significantly this will never happen True that hydro is impressive, it is ideal but cannot increase much because it is limited by natural topography. Pumped storage is good too, but unfortunately, Greens do not like us making very big lakes up mountains so oppose it big time. Idiots!
  • Legh Richardson:

    I think I can assume that the green gage doesn't include Wales. The BBC reported last week that a company have or are just about to open a new coal mine to supply the local steel industry.

    I think its important that we don't get tied up with this self-righteousness in believing we can change the shape of the planet,only volcanoes can do that and they do not follow any green political rules (agenda).

    Legh


     


    I'd like to know more about this coal for steel scheme. For example, is there a plan to employ carbon capture and storage? This would be very significant, but as usual the media tell us only a small part of the story.


  • Denis McMahon:I'd like to know more about this coal for steel scheme. For example, is there a plan to employ carbon capture and storage? This would be very significant, but as usual the media tell us only a small part of the story.


    Isn't this just for making coke which is needed as part of the steel smelting process? Heating in steel mills is usually gas-fired.


  • I heard this while doing something else, although my third ear was open to receive in loose summary.

    https://www.energylivenews.com/2020/10/05/first-new-coal-mine-in-england-for-30-years-granted-planning-approval/


    Legh
  • Legh, it's actually Plate Tectonics that drives geological processes including vulcanism. You'll be reassured that in 100 million years (just a short interval in geological timescales) when humans are long extinct the insects and newly evolved lifeforms will be enjoying planet earth without our toxins and pollution to contend with. Subduction zones and erosion will reform and obliterate evidence of our short existence (2-3million years for various human species). Civilisation itself will be such a minute part of the geological sequence it may be quite difficult to detect any evidence we are supposed to be intelligent. 

    Of interest to those who would like to see renewable energy storage very interesting research was highlighted in the Royal Institution Christmas Lectures. Researchers at Imperial College have developed a metal powder storage matrix that can store massive quantities of gaseous hydrogen at relatively low pressure and room temperature. This was used in a fuel cell to power lightning and screens in the lecture hall. OK it's early days but this is the technology that we need to embrace and lead on. Most people find change difficult but if we let other countries lead the way we'll be importing the technology just like we have for wind turbines from Denmark. The IET has covered the renewable energy and climate change debate quite extensively in the E&T magazine and obviously there has been some debate on feasibility of going carbon neutral in the timescales envisaged by the government. I suspect the reality is that an extra 20 years will be needed, especially with the practical challenges facing DNO's in sizing the network for the demand. I do agree that our ability to influence earth systems by reducing CO₂ emissions and other greenhouse gases may be way off. The earth has the ability to survive major life changing events as witnessed by mass extinction events in the geological past. Whether we survive to find out only time will tell but even without climate change we're doing major harm to the environment in many ways that are not sustainable long term. I guess the ultimate feedback will be a massive reduction in the human population which ultimately is the root of the problem. This may be due to climate but could equally come from asteroid impact or global pandemic!
  • I think a balance is needed. What the earth can sustain. Human existence pushes the boundaries.
  • Andrew Ince:

    You'll be reassured that in 100 million years (just a short interval in geological timescales) when humans are long extinct the insects and newly evolved lifeforms will be enjoying planet earth without our toxins and pollution to contend with.


    Steady on, that's a bit bleak! Any road, we shall all be engulfed when the Sun explodes. Thankfully, that will not be in my lifetime.


    What I do know is that in the shorter term, humans will find a way to survive and prosper.


    Electricity is very new. I have evidence that my home had gas in 1929 and there are remnants of gas lighting, but I have no evidence of leccy before the 1960s. I know that it was in the street in the 1930s, so perhaps the former occupiers had it then.


  • The house I live in was built about 1910 - so quite modern then!

    All these houses were originally "Wired for gas".

    Later on this new fangled electric thing was added. One socket per house or one upstairs and one downstairs. Wow modern.

    Later on some sockets and lights were added.

    Late 70s I rewired it and then added/ammended over the years, I did find much pipework in lead in walls and over ceilings for the old gas mantles for ceiling and wall lighting. Plenty of horse-hair in the plastered walls too.
  • I did some work in a church and found some old lead gas pipes. There had been no gas in the vicinity until the 70's so I assume it must have been acetylene generated on site. Will we be going acetylene heating and lighting when electricity becomes too expensive?