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Cable in Buried Conduit

Hi folks

I'm having a bit of a discussion about what type of cable is suitable to be buried in ducts. My reading of the BS7671 is that only multicore armoured cable should be direct buried or buried in ducts based on Table 4A2 (p390) and the fact that there are no current ratings for installation method D for anything except multicore armoured.


But Table C1 of the on site guide states that twin and earth is "For use underground in conduits or pipes".


My actual problem is being asked to comment on a design where 1c XLPE/AWA cables have been direct buried and also H1Z2Z2 singles have been installed in underground ducts. The H1Z2Z2 data sheet states that it can be installed in ducts, but I am taking that to mean ducts that are not buried, so I am almost sure that this is not acceptable.


Any comments appreciated.


Thanks

Nick
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  • At the risk of sounding a bit obvious, the exam question should be "Is the cable adequately protected against the likely environmental influences ?"


    Do not assume that the annex of suggested cable ratings is some sort of list of approved installation methods from which you cannot deviate - you can very much roll your own,  but then  you are on your own to work out what the current ratings and so forth should be.


    So, as an extreme example of something  not in the annex to BS7671, a bit of arctic flex cable under a concrete path  in a bit of old hosepipe, it could be argued, is probably safe from damage by gardening tools, but it may flood,  so we then  ask  is the cable OK if it gets wet. Usually PVC is fine, but rubber insulations are better if long term immersion is expected.  Now that example would be dog rough, but not immediately dangerous. Under a flower bed unsuitable, and unwise for new installation in all cases. Considering that BS7671 has a scope that includes doorbells running at 8V on one hand and 3 phase bare overhead supplies at the other,  and you may see that some adjustment with  the application is required. (for example I'd be OK with the flex feeding a doorbell, less so for mains..)


    So what are the killer factors here ?

    What is the particular aspect of these buried ducts, as opposed to say similar ducts on the surface,  that worries you - will  it be waterlogged, will there be rats, will there be other cables pulled in beside it to do damage ? If yes to any of the above, then you are right to flag it up.

    Actually the  XPLE AWA is probably OK  against those, being quite tough,  but the H1Z2Z2  - you do not say the size, but I imagine this is  like the singles used for connecting solar panel hookups, about 3/8"  in diameter with a thin reinforced insulation ?  This could be damaged by drag- but it all depends how it is/was installed. I note the datasheet linked above says OK for direct burial...

    Mike.

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  • At the risk of sounding a bit obvious, the exam question should be "Is the cable adequately protected against the likely environmental influences ?"


    Do not assume that the annex of suggested cable ratings is some sort of list of approved installation methods from which you cannot deviate - you can very much roll your own,  but then  you are on your own to work out what the current ratings and so forth should be.


    So, as an extreme example of something  not in the annex to BS7671, a bit of arctic flex cable under a concrete path  in a bit of old hosepipe, it could be argued, is probably safe from damage by gardening tools, but it may flood,  so we then  ask  is the cable OK if it gets wet. Usually PVC is fine, but rubber insulations are better if long term immersion is expected.  Now that example would be dog rough, but not immediately dangerous. Under a flower bed unsuitable, and unwise for new installation in all cases. Considering that BS7671 has a scope that includes doorbells running at 8V on one hand and 3 phase bare overhead supplies at the other,  and you may see that some adjustment with  the application is required. (for example I'd be OK with the flex feeding a doorbell, less so for mains..)


    So what are the killer factors here ?

    What is the particular aspect of these buried ducts, as opposed to say similar ducts on the surface,  that worries you - will  it be waterlogged, will there be rats, will there be other cables pulled in beside it to do damage ? If yes to any of the above, then you are right to flag it up.

    Actually the  XPLE AWA is probably OK  against those, being quite tough,  but the H1Z2Z2  - you do not say the size, but I imagine this is  like the singles used for connecting solar panel hookups, about 3/8"  in diameter with a thin reinforced insulation ?  This could be damaged by drag- but it all depends how it is/was installed. I note the datasheet linked above says OK for direct burial...

    Mike.

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