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Multicore cables (YY but not PVC/PVC)

I wonder if I could previal for some learned opinions.


We undertake installations of stage lighting amongst other things, and often use a 19-core 'YY' type cable (though it isn't really YY as the insualtion and sheathing is not PVC/PVC - it is a LSF variant) for links between switched power units or dimmers and internally wired lighting bars.


We have undertaken many such installations, and we are registered with the NICEIC who have audited and inspeced many such installations and passed them.  We have also raised specific questions with them on the use of the cable and we get varying answers.  They are never willing to give an emphatic 'yes', but neither do they say 'no'.


As I understand it - there is not a relevant construction standard that covers this type of cable construction, so it can't comply with a standard that doesn't exist.  There are however many standards (many of which form normative references for construction standards of other cable types) with which it does conform.  These include EN 50525-1 (General requirements) EN 60228 (conductors) and various fire performance standards (EN 50575, EN 60754, EN 60134 and EN 60332).  We also know that the insualtion and sheathing material is standards-compliant and is commonly used in cable manufature.


We are embroiled in a dispute with a main contractor who is claiming the installation is non-compliant as the cable does not meet a construction standard. Reg 511.2 allows for use of euipment not covered by a Britsh or Harmonised standard if the designer/specifier confirms that the equipment provides at least the same degree of safety.  This cable is covered by multiple standards but not a single 'construction' standard that is applicable to this type


We have undertaken what we believe to be a thorough assessment of this cable which is attached here:  Assessment of Cable NILTOX LF 319.docx


The use of the cable is noted on the certificate and the assessment and supporting documentation from the supplier is attached, but the main contractor is still refusing to accept this route.


So a couple of questions for the learned community:
  1. Have we missed anything in our assessment, or does it seem thorough and complete?

  • Should the use of this cable be recorded as a 'departure' (our agument is that we have complied with 511.2 and therefore it is not a departure) or just recorded as a note?


Thanks in advance.  Happy to answer any further questions.


Jason.
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  • Dave,


    For context this is a run between a dimmer in a control room and fixed IWBs in a school hall - they will never be moved about or re-congifured - it's not a 'real' theatre! (we do plenty of those too)  It's highly unikley with risk assessments and regulations, and associated perceived fears of 'rules say no' in schools these days that anyone would regularly go up and even re-focus the lights let alone move them or rig something else on the bars!  We'll most likely be the next people up there come inspection time unless something goes wrong in the meantime.


    There are some weasely words around standards in a clause in the contract, but our documentation lists multiple British Standards with which the cable does comply, so it can't be said that the cable does not comply with Standards.  As you say, it is a fault (gap) in the Construction standartds for cables that this type is not covered.


    There is a note on the certificate relatiing to the use of the cable.


    No design approval with the Main Contractor - they leave it to us as specialists - but our quotation did specifiy the cable type that we use and they did accept that.


    Jason.
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  • Dave,


    For context this is a run between a dimmer in a control room and fixed IWBs in a school hall - they will never be moved about or re-congifured - it's not a 'real' theatre! (we do plenty of those too)  It's highly unikley with risk assessments and regulations, and associated perceived fears of 'rules say no' in schools these days that anyone would regularly go up and even re-focus the lights let alone move them or rig something else on the bars!  We'll most likely be the next people up there come inspection time unless something goes wrong in the meantime.


    There are some weasely words around standards in a clause in the contract, but our documentation lists multiple British Standards with which the cable does comply, so it can't be said that the cable does not comply with Standards.  As you say, it is a fault (gap) in the Construction standartds for cables that this type is not covered.


    There is a note on the certificate relatiing to the use of the cable.


    No design approval with the Main Contractor - they leave it to us as specialists - but our quotation did specifiy the cable type that we use and they did accept that.


    Jason.
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