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Number of luminaires on a lighting circuit – new house

Hi,


I am doing a provisional lighting layout for a new house which will use LED lamps throughout. (The final electrical design will be done by the building contractor, but I want to get things right in the design brief  that I give him and want to make sure that I’m not giving him “guidelines” that are not possible to meet.)


The intent is that there will be separate circuits for the ground and first floors, but that additional circuits should not be required. As all of the luminaires will be using low power, mains voltage, LEDs, predominantly downlights, I don’t think there is any concern around exceeding the current capacity of the (1.0 or 1.5mm2) cable and a 6A RCD.


The only issue that I could see is the electrical designer raising is the guidelines in the 2018 On-Site guide in Appendix on Maximum Demand and Diversity. The Appendix is marked as “Guidance Only” but I am concerned that it would be easy for the contactor to just take compliance with it as the easy way out.


Table A1 gives the assumed current demand for a lighting circuit to be 100W per lighting outlet (I guess from when 100W incandescents were the norm), that would be around 12 luminaires or 18 allowing for the diversity in Table A2. (The section does say that “The values given in Table A2, therefore, may be increased or decreased as decided by the installation designer concerned.”)  With LED downlighters everywhere, there will be around 60 luminaires with a load around 300W. (One could take the view that a new owner could replace all the LEDs with 100W fittings, but I think that would be an unreasonable argument.)


Other than arguments around inconvenience should the circuit trip, would it be unreasonable to ask the designer to implement a singe circuit for these loads? (Assuming of course, that the voltage drop was within spec.)


As an aside, is there any reason that external lights could not be on the same RCD protected circuit as the rest of the floor?


Regards

Dave

 


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  • I got called out a few weeks ago where the customer was defrosting her freezer and the easiest way to do it was flick off the circuit breaker as the socket was not accessible. CU was high level so she couldn't see properly and she was probably in her 70s. Whilst doing it she accidentally knocked off the lighting breaker.  She couldn't reset the lighting breaker because all of her kitchen lights were on and the inrush current was banging out the B6. I did try and explain over the phone but ended up having to go and show her.  I didn't count how many down lights there were but quite a big room so 12-16 would be my guess with 3 switches.   This wasn't my design by the way i just took an educated guess as to what was happening before having to go along and have a look.  



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  • I got called out a few weeks ago where the customer was defrosting her freezer and the easiest way to do it was flick off the circuit breaker as the socket was not accessible. CU was high level so she couldn't see properly and she was probably in her 70s. Whilst doing it she accidentally knocked off the lighting breaker.  She couldn't reset the lighting breaker because all of her kitchen lights were on and the inrush current was banging out the B6. I did try and explain over the phone but ended up having to go and show her.  I didn't count how many down lights there were but quite a big room so 12-16 would be my guess with 3 switches.   This wasn't my design by the way i just took an educated guess as to what was happening before having to go along and have a look.  



    Gary
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