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Static Caravan Problems.

I was called out to a static holiday/residential caravan today. Nuisance tripping was reported. Apparently the electrics were reliable before the van was moved to a new pitch on the same sandy site. The van's consumer unit comprises 1 30mA R.C.D., a 32 Amp socket M.C.B. and a 6A lighting M.C.B.


The pitch permanent "hook up" point comprises a 30 mA R.C.D. and a 16 Amp M.C.B.


The lady has many high powered appliances, 2kW kettle, three 2kW+ room heaters, a 2.2kW coffee machine etc. The heating is normally by bottled gas.


The two R.C.D.s tested out fine, not over sensitive. But the van owner can not remember which devices tripped off over a period of time. Once the nearby brick supply building had to be accessed to reset something, but we were not allowed even just to look inside it today by the site owners. Very unhelpful.


Anyway, all appliances tested good, no faults. I presumed that the lady had plugged too many items in at once.                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Guidance note 7, page 58 Fig. 7.1 it shows 4 possible separate vans being supplied via a single  100 mA R.C.D.


So, looking at the possibility of nuisance tripping if 4 vans each leak say 20 to 30 mA, the 100 mA R.C.D. could trip off blacking them all out. Should a time delayed 100mA type be used? The Guidance note says that the 100 mA R.C.D. is chosen to discriminate with the pitch socket outlets R.C.D.s. But, if say 100mA was to flow from a van fault,  both the 30mA pitch socket R.C.D. AND the 100mA brick supply building could trip off together. This would then deprive a total of 4 vans of a supply.


Comments please.


Thanks,


Z.


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  • 16 amps should suffice for a TOURING caravan with modest loads and LPG for heating and cooking.


    16 amps is almost certainly very inadequate for what is in effect a full time home or a holiday home with the usual appliances including electric heating. The reported three space heaters are probably very roughly 30 amps in total. No diversity allowable for space heaters as simultaneous operation is expected in cold weather.

    30 amps will trip a 16 amp MCB in "not long" no great accuracy may be claimed in this as the exact load is not known.


    To this estimated 30 amp heating load should be added a nominal 2 amps or so for lighting and small appliances, and say 15 amps for the kettle and one other appliance such as microwave oven, coffee machine or the like.

    A 32 amp supply would be marginal with that load, and 16 amps no way.


    And even if the problem IS earth leakage, then on rectifying this, overload tripping seems almost certain.


    A larger supply or changing the heating to LPG seems to be required.


    BTW, I recently wired a mobile home for a neighbour.  4 circuits 

    1) 4 amp lighting.

    2) 4 amp numerous general use 13 amp sockets for low loading appliances.

    3) 4 amp, water heater, 750 watts.

    4)  16 amp feeds a 3 position manual changeover switch which is connected to 3 of single 13 amp sockets but only to one such socket at a time.

    The three switch positions are marked

    "kettle" about 10 amp loading.

    "space heater" 10 amp loading

    "other" For use of power tools, hair dryer, or cleaning equipment.


    Significant overloading of a 16 amp supply is thereby prevented and reasonable use of most appliances is allowed.

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  • 16 amps should suffice for a TOURING caravan with modest loads and LPG for heating and cooking.


    16 amps is almost certainly very inadequate for what is in effect a full time home or a holiday home with the usual appliances including electric heating. The reported three space heaters are probably very roughly 30 amps in total. No diversity allowable for space heaters as simultaneous operation is expected in cold weather.

    30 amps will trip a 16 amp MCB in "not long" no great accuracy may be claimed in this as the exact load is not known.


    To this estimated 30 amp heating load should be added a nominal 2 amps or so for lighting and small appliances, and say 15 amps for the kettle and one other appliance such as microwave oven, coffee machine or the like.

    A 32 amp supply would be marginal with that load, and 16 amps no way.


    And even if the problem IS earth leakage, then on rectifying this, overload tripping seems almost certain.


    A larger supply or changing the heating to LPG seems to be required.


    BTW, I recently wired a mobile home for a neighbour.  4 circuits 

    1) 4 amp lighting.

    2) 4 amp numerous general use 13 amp sockets for low loading appliances.

    3) 4 amp, water heater, 750 watts.

    4)  16 amp feeds a 3 position manual changeover switch which is connected to 3 of single 13 amp sockets but only to one such socket at a time.

    The three switch positions are marked

    "kettle" about 10 amp loading.

    "space heater" 10 amp loading

    "other" For use of power tools, hair dryer, or cleaning equipment.


    Significant overloading of a 16 amp supply is thereby prevented and reasonable use of most appliances is allowed.

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