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Static Caravan Problems.

I was called out to a static holiday/residential caravan today. Nuisance tripping was reported. Apparently the electrics were reliable before the van was moved to a new pitch on the same sandy site. The van's consumer unit comprises 1 30mA R.C.D., a 32 Amp socket M.C.B. and a 6A lighting M.C.B.


The pitch permanent "hook up" point comprises a 30 mA R.C.D. and a 16 Amp M.C.B.


The lady has many high powered appliances, 2kW kettle, three 2kW+ room heaters, a 2.2kW coffee machine etc. The heating is normally by bottled gas.


The two R.C.D.s tested out fine, not over sensitive. But the van owner can not remember which devices tripped off over a period of time. Once the nearby brick supply building had to be accessed to reset something, but we were not allowed even just to look inside it today by the site owners. Very unhelpful.


Anyway, all appliances tested good, no faults. I presumed that the lady had plugged too many items in at once.                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Guidance note 7, page 58 Fig. 7.1 it shows 4 possible separate vans being supplied via a single  100 mA R.C.D.


So, looking at the possibility of nuisance tripping if 4 vans each leak say 20 to 30 mA, the 100 mA R.C.D. could trip off blacking them all out. Should a time delayed 100mA type be used? The Guidance note says that the 100 mA R.C.D. is chosen to discriminate with the pitch socket outlets R.C.D.s. But, if say 100mA was to flow from a van fault,  both the 30mA pitch socket R.C.D. AND the 100mA brick supply building could trip off together. This would then deprive a total of 4 vans of a supply.


Comments please.


Thanks,


Z.


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  • Back then  (60s/70s) B.S. 4293:1968 required that current operated earth leakage circuit breakers should operate with an earth leakage tripping current of no more than two per cent of the rated circuit current. This would correspond to a current of 1.2 Amp. for a 60 Amp circuit, or 0.6 Amps. for a 30 Amp. circuit. The values typically adopted in practice  for a 0.1 second maximum disconnection time are: 1.0 Amp. for a 100 Amp unit, or 500 mA for a 60 Amp. unit.


    The 14th Edition I.E.E. Regs. did  not normally require operating currents of less than 500 mA.


    This protection seems to be mainly about reducing fire risks.


    But regarding shock risks, and a persisting fault current of 0.5 Amps. on a 30 Amp cooker circuit,  with an Earth loop impedance of about 120 Ohms, the shock Voltage is 65 Volts. Or with an Earth loop impedance of 80 Ohms is 40 Volts. The current operated earth leakage circuit breaker would clear the fault instantaneously..


    Z.
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  • Back then  (60s/70s) B.S. 4293:1968 required that current operated earth leakage circuit breakers should operate with an earth leakage tripping current of no more than two per cent of the rated circuit current. This would correspond to a current of 1.2 Amp. for a 60 Amp circuit, or 0.6 Amps. for a 30 Amp. circuit. The values typically adopted in practice  for a 0.1 second maximum disconnection time are: 1.0 Amp. for a 100 Amp unit, or 500 mA for a 60 Amp. unit.


    The 14th Edition I.E.E. Regs. did  not normally require operating currents of less than 500 mA.


    This protection seems to be mainly about reducing fire risks.


    But regarding shock risks, and a persisting fault current of 0.5 Amps. on a 30 Amp cooker circuit,  with an Earth loop impedance of about 120 Ohms, the shock Voltage is 65 Volts. Or with an Earth loop impedance of 80 Ohms is 40 Volts. The current operated earth leakage circuit breaker would clear the fault instantaneously..


    Z.
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