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Electrical Design Courses & Regulations Recommendations (London, UK)

Morning All


Somewhat out of touch with training courses (due to my age) and was simply wondering if anyone has any recommendations for electrical training courses for young up and coming engineers who wish to learn about electrical design (building services) and to gain a better understanding of the regulations (BS7671 etc.)


Any suggestions or recommendations would be hugely appreciated.  Looking preferably around the London area (unless online of course).


Thanks


Adrian B.
  • Adrian Burgess:

    Morning All


    Somewhat out of touch with training courses (due to my age) and was simply wondering if anyone has any recommendations for electrical training courses for young up and coming engineers who wish to learn about electrical design (building services) and to gain a better understanding of the regulations (BS7671 etc.)


    Any suggestions or recommendations would be hugely appreciated.  Looking preferably around the London area (unless online of course).


    Thanks


    Adrian B.


    Hello, I don't know about courses but there  is an I.E.T. boooook called "Electrical Installation Design Guide" Calculations for Electricians and Designers. I have the 4th edition. (18th Regs. Edition). 


    ISBN 978-1-78561-471-2  paperback.


    ISBN 978-1-78561-472-9 electronic.


    Z.


  • It kind of depends on the level you’re aiming at.


    The city and guilds 2396 is a good step between qualified electricians knowledge and engineer type knowledge. 


    HNC and HND all come before engineer (degree). 


    If he/she’s’ an up and coming maintenance engineer and is not necessarily qualified at anything and looking for some electrical insight - then I’m a little stuck for a course that would help. That’s the kind of thing that gets learnt on the job. 


    In a typical commercial building, electrically, id always start with phase, neutral and earth colours and how a switch live might be a different colour. 


    - how to use a voltage tester and fluke wand - highlighting the limitations. 


    some idea of safe isolation - even if it’s just locking off the isolator for a motor that they need to work on/ change belts on. 


    id show them the control panel in the plant room and highlight the 230V bits on the back of the door when the panel is live if he/she gets into (gets curious about what’s in here then?) fault finding.

    Watch out for the door swinging shut behind you and - zap.

    Modern control panels are less dangerous than old ones for this, 


    I’d take them through the sequence of events for a light not working and a desk socket not working. 


    This all really needs to be taught by a knowledgable person, not really on a course. 

  • Former Community Member
    0 Former Community Member
    As Zoomup has mentioned the IET do a good book on design, I believe you can get it for around £25 on Amazon or the IET do a digital version. I’m actually down to do my 2396 but Covid has put a stop to it at the moment, our company for some reason uses a company called Able Skills that are in the Dartford area, (god knows why because we are miles away from them) I did however do my 18th update with them and can’t complain. The 2396 is about a week in the classroom and a day or two return for one exam, then you have up to two years to hand your electrical design practical exam in. The 2396 only takes you to technician stage which unless doing hnc etc is the highest you can go as a mere electrician.
  • 2396 in a week! Learners would be swamped! That seems to be the way things are with electrical installation training, courses crammed into days when they really should be allocated months! 

    It looks like the traditional approach where FE colleges offered courses like 2396 over 32 weeks usually with 3 hours class time each week has given way to this almost obscene notion that material can be stuffed down a candidate’s throat in a few days and the same learning outcomes achieved.
  • lyledunn:

    2396 in a week! Learners would be swamped! That seems to be the way things are with electrical installation training, courses crammed into days when they really should be allocated months! 

    It looks like the traditional approach where FE colleges offered courses like 2396 over 32 weeks usually with 3 hours class time each week has given way to this almost obscene notion that material can be stuffed down a candidate’s throat in a few days and the same learning outcomes achieved.


    Well said Lyle.


    Z.


  • Thanks all for your individual inputs, it certainly gives me something to consider and a few thing to investigate further.


    Many Thanks


    Adrian B.
  • Former Community Member
    0 Former Community Member
    Even though the classroom side is a week or so, there is still so something like 100 hours extra needed to complete the course, and one of the requirements is that candidates already have a good understanding and are already at a high enough level to understand what is going on, I guess they’ve shortened it down as it doesn’t seem to be a very popular course nowadays as most electricians are not really interested in it.
  • Zoomup:
    lyledunn:

    2396 in a week! Learners would be swamped! That seems to be the way things are with electrical installation training, courses crammed into days when they really should be allocated months! 

    It looks like the traditional approach where FE colleges offered courses like 2396 over 32 weeks usually with 3 hours class time each week has given way to this almost obscene notion that material can be stuffed down a candidate’s throat in a few days and the same learning outcomes achieved.


    Well said Lyle.


    Z.




    I totally endorse and agree with thoughts of lyledunn and Zoomup.


    When will people understand that intense delivery of information and shortening of attendance time is better. If one provider indicates they can deliver in a week, somebody else says fourdays. So what on earth do the "purchasers" expect? its a tickbox excersise by far too many HR departments and companies get the training booked on the shortest duration time period to save costs of attending and indirect costs on the buisness, hope the candidate gets the award/cert, then they think fantastic they have the cert/award and can now put everything into practice as a competant person.


    GTB 


  • Adrian


    If you don't already have it study for the City and Guilds 18th edition exam and pass it which assumes you already have a copy of the 18th Edition?


    Start building a reference library of information that you will need to be a designer. As a minimum starter I would suggest.


    A copy of the 18th Edition, IET Guidance Notes 1,3 and 8. The IET Electrical Installation Design Guide. The ECA Electrical Installation Calculations for Compliance with BS 7671:2008.


    I assume you have some installation experience so you know how installations are put together?


    The IET have done a number of useful free webinars including one on design with more to come. You can view these here https://electrical.theiet.org/courses-resources-career/technical-webinars/


    Yes do the C&G 2396 course and the exam. To get the 2396 award you need to do a design project which will stretch you and in itself is an excellent learning opportunity. I used to teach this and it is a very good and well recognised qualification.


    Also work towards professional registration with membership of the IET and initalely Eng Tech registration.


    Learn something everyday, this forum is a good source of information.


    Learn to use one of the software packages. Amtech/Trimble is the most used packages but Modecsoft is cheaper and easier to use.






  • Afternoon John


    Thanks also for the information.  This is not for me... I am too old and ugly to be studying again, although I am somewhat out of touch with education courses available for younger up and coming engineers which is why I am asking.


    That being said, what you have suggested is something I can dissect and review, and then apply to a young engineer who is looking to further their education.


    Many thanks.


    Adrian B.