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Insulated ceiling ring final nightmare.

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I am having a bit of a nightmare trying to adequately size cable for a ring final. The existing circuit is 2.5mm2 T&E which runs in the ceiling void between ground floor and first floor (this is a residential property). Currently there is no ceiling insulation installed. An extension means a new ceiling and significant modification to the ring final, and also (to meet regs) sound proofing insulation installed in the ceiling. This has a similar U value to thermal insulation in most cases.


100mm of insulation is to be installed throughout the new ceiling - which is 50% old circuit.


My first thought were to re-wire the whole circuit in 4mm T&E as with 2.5mm2 and the 18th ed tables its method of installation in all places wont give me 20A on each leg of the ring.


Great I thought, problem solved with plenty of overhead. More of a pain at 2nd fix, but not the end of the world.


Except now when I am looking through it seems like 4mm2 might not be enough if its going to run the risk of being covered with insulation. Joists are 170mm, so while the cable will not be covered completely the insulation will tend to balloon around it, so it looks like I will have to de-rate by a factor of 0.5 which would mean needing 6mm2 cable which seems crazy.


Any thoughts? Where am I going wrong in my assumptions / calcs?


Thanks in advance


James
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  • if you really want to, as the 20A 13a fuses are no longer on Ebay, there are some models of 13A plug  where the neutral pin can be removed and you can use the guts of 2 plugs to make one with 2 neutral pins. NOT clever, but certainly possible


    Far better is to fit an inline  thermistor, which is what has been done chez mapj1.

    When cold the thing adds a few ohms in line, and as it heats up that falls to a few milliohms. Been in service in its metal box on ceramic choc block for about 14 years now.

    M.
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  • if you really want to, as the 20A 13a fuses are no longer on Ebay, there are some models of 13A plug  where the neutral pin can be removed and you can use the guts of 2 plugs to make one with 2 neutral pins. NOT clever, but certainly possible


    Far better is to fit an inline  thermistor, which is what has been done chez mapj1.

    When cold the thing adds a few ohms in line, and as it heats up that falls to a few milliohms. Been in service in its metal box on ceramic choc block for about 14 years now.

    M.
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