The EICR and competence. What are we going to do about the endless problems brought to the forum?

ebee:

"I remember attending and passing my 2391 back in 1998 and it was a tough but fair assessment and I actually learnt valuable detail on that course, we all know it had a high failure rate and it was laterly weakened down" 

Agreed that`s the one I did in that year too but yes the Tutor told us the number of defects he had to have on the board to satisfy City & Guilds which OK is fair enough but like you I agree he should not have told us this number and no way encourage us to add non defects as defects without penalty . If there were indeed say 12 defects and say you spotted them all but also listed another 8 non defects I would award 12 - 8 = 4 total marks whereas he would award 12 marks. I thought that was a mockery

ebee,

Thanks for your comments and we are obviously of the same "Vintage"! When Im carrying out training candidates will ask how many faults must I get to pass? simple answer all of them. And thats the problem especially on inspection and test work, people only wish to do enough to pass, get the cert and hey ho they and their employer suddenly think they know everything? after all they got a certificate!!


Now the analogy that I give is, if a person cant play darts and you give them 1000 darts to throw at the board, they will not only miss the board with a few throws they will likley based on chance hit every bloody number including the bullseye!


So candidates agree with that statement.


Now just give somebody that cant play darts just a single dart and ask them to hit a particular number or the bullseye? then you hear the penny falling in their heads. I think that can happen with EICR's, they dont understand what they are looking at or how to correctly code it ( Even if it is a reportable defect) so they just throw everything on the report and hope they hit the "Bullseye".


GTB

ebee:

"I remember attending and passing my 2391 back in 1998 and it was a tough but fair assessment and I actually learnt valuable detail on that course, we all know it had a high failure rate and it was laterly weakened down" 

Agreed that`s the one I did in that year too but yes the Tutor told us the number of defects he had to have on the board to satisfy City & Guilds which OK is fair enough but like you I agree he should not have told us this number and no way encourage us to add non defects as defects without penalty . If there were indeed say 12 defects and say you spotted them all but also listed another 8 non defects I would award 12 - 8 = 4 total marks whereas he would award 12 marks. I thought that was a mockery

ebee,

Thanks for your comments and we are obviously of the same "Vintage"! When Im carrying out training candidates will ask how many faults must I get to pass? simple answer all of them. And thats the problem especially on inspection and test work, people only wish to do enough to pass, get the cert and hey ho they and their employer suddenly think they know everything? after all they got a certificate!!


Now the analogy that I give is, if a person cant play darts and you give them 1000 darts to throw at the board, they will not only miss the board with a few throws they will likley based on chance hit every bloody number including the bullseye!


So candidates agree with that statement.


Now just give somebody that cant play darts just a single dart and ask them to hit a particular number or the bullseye? then you hear the penny falling in their heads. I think that can happen with EICR's, they dont understand what they are looking at or how to correctly code it ( Even if it is a reportable defect) so they just throw everything on the report and hope they hit the "Bullseye".


GTB