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Dad, What's a Circuit?

Well son that a long story.


In my dictionary a circuit is: roughly a circular route, a track for motor racing in the U.K., a regular journey around a district by a judge to hear cases, a system of conductors and components forming a complete electrical path. It comes from the Latin word "circuitus." (No doubt related to the Latin word "circulus," which means circle.


I can see why ebee's friend considers two lighting circuits connected to just one M.C.B.to be two circuits connected together. Two individual circuits connected in parallel in fact.


When we are taught about electrical circuits at school we are told that the circuit starts at the source, which could be a battery terminal , continues to a load, which could be a light bulb, through the load, and then returns back the the battery's second terminal. Or the same arrangement could be made using a transformer's secondary winding.


But B.S. 7671 defines a circuit as: "An assembly of electrical equipment supplied from the same origin and protected by the same overcurrent protective device(s)."


So, a 1.0 mm2 T&E cable supplying lighting connected to a 6 Amp M.C.B. is a circuit. In B.S. 7671 land if a second 1.0 mm2  T&E lighting cable is added to the same M.C.B. there is still only one circuit even though one lighting circuit may supply upstairs in a house, and the other downstairs. Or perhaps originally the two originated from two separate M.C.B.s.


So in B.S. 7671 land, 1 circuit plus 1 circuit = 1 circuit. How could it be any different?


I personally, still though, prefer to call that situation two circuits connected in parallel.


Z.

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  • davezawadi (David Stone):

    BS7671 uses its own definitions, listed in the first few pages. I know many people try to "interpret" these to meet their own ideas, but this is not the way to proceed. One must use the definitions from the front, and a good proportion of the duff EICRs I have are partly caused by the "I don't like the look of that" attitude that pervades the electrical industry. EICR comments MUST be exactly to the regulations, and their own definitions. Another example is a fuseboard in the centre of a property. There are 2 rings of sockets in 2 opposite directions but they both terminate in one CPD (32A, 4 wires). Would anyone like to comment on this?


    We shall see what happens now!


     


    Yes Dave, my original "Butterfly" circuit comment a while back was based on just this one, two identical properties except one required drop fed sockets on ground floor so increasing total ring length but a two ring final cct would save the day, I put my tin hat on and lo and behold the shrapnel did fly.


    One  contributer stated they`d take two ends of the different rings and join them thus creating one long ring to "correct" it


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  • davezawadi (David Stone):

    BS7671 uses its own definitions, listed in the first few pages. I know many people try to "interpret" these to meet their own ideas, but this is not the way to proceed. One must use the definitions from the front, and a good proportion of the duff EICRs I have are partly caused by the "I don't like the look of that" attitude that pervades the electrical industry. EICR comments MUST be exactly to the regulations, and their own definitions. Another example is a fuseboard in the centre of a property. There are 2 rings of sockets in 2 opposite directions but they both terminate in one CPD (32A, 4 wires). Would anyone like to comment on this?


    We shall see what happens now!


     


    Yes Dave, my original "Butterfly" circuit comment a while back was based on just this one, two identical properties except one required drop fed sockets on ground floor so increasing total ring length but a two ring final cct would save the day, I put my tin hat on and lo and behold the shrapnel did fly.


    One  contributer stated they`d take two ends of the different rings and join them thus creating one long ring to "correct" it


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