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Extractor Fan Switch.

I have just stumbled upon this. A fan isolator switch with integral fuse. Has anybody any experiences with these please. Any good?

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/254946038011?hash=item3b5bf7d0fb:g:kr8AAOSwPSxbVK~m


Z.
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    The idea of the fan isolator was to keep the lights on when servicing the fan.


    Agreed, but some tenants use the isolator to stop the noise so the landlord's building suffers the consequences that the Building Regulations foresaw......


    I tend to get the light wired through the same switch to prevent this occurrence, but it did once lead to a tenant complaining that the light didn't work, until it was pointed out that they had "fiddled" with the switch.................


    Which brings in the discussion about "devices for switching off for mechanical maintenance" under 537.3.2.


    Is there a conventional TP fan switch that satisfies the second paragraph of 537.3.2.3?


    Regards


    BOD
  • perspicacious:

    Agreed, but some tenants use the isolator to stop the noise so the landlord's building suffers the consequences that the Building Regulations foresaw......


    Staying in a B&B a couple of years ago, well some time before lockdown ...


    Hostess kindly explained the function of the switches on the bedroom side of the stud wall betwixt same and the bathroom. Yes, they could have been in the bathroom outside the zones! So you get up for a pee in the night (as those of us of a certain age tend to do) and on completion switch off the fan isolator so that it does not drone on for the next 20 minutes.


    In fairness, there would be no nasty niffs (unless taking penicillin) or damp, so no need to run on.


  • Colin Haggett:
    geoffsd:
    whjohnson:

    3 pole switch required in order to isolate the fan/SELV transformer etc.




    But if, as stated by perspicacious, the fuse covers both the permanent live and switched live then a three-pole switch is not necessary; a switched double-pole FCU would suffice.




    The idea of the fan isolator was to keep the lights on when servicing the fan.




    Just what sort of servicing does a 4 inch bathroom fan require? And, aren't there lead lamps or torches available? If "serviced" in the daytime and the room has a window, there is no need for the room light for "servicing" the fan, whatever that entails?


    Also Chris, the fusing down to 3 Amps is to comply with manufacturer's instructions for some fans.


    Sometimes customers buy their own fans and ask me to install them. If the fan needs a 3 Amp fuse then this arrangement seems to satisfy that requirement.


    I recently installed a customer's fan in a small shower room. I ran the supply via a fused connection unit for the lights and shower fan. That was easy as the room was being refurbished and the ceiling was down. But sometimes it is not so easy if the lighting is on a B6 M.C.B. and wired three plate, or looped at switches.


    Z.


  • some tenants use the isolator to stop the noise


    Which rather suggests a design weakness of the cheaper fan.

    Mike.



  • Is there a conventional TP fan switch that satisfies the second paragraph of 537.3.2.3?


    Will ON and OFF suffice Bod?

    Knightsbridge Square Edge 10A 3 Pole Isolator Switch (SN1100) at UKES (ukelectricalsupplies.com)


    But some fans are maintenance free, so is there a need for such a switch?


    Z.


  • Some people use a three pole fan isolator switch and connect it to the permanent L, switched L and N. As B.S. 7671 defines a neutral conductor as contributing to the transmission of electrical energy it is a live conductor and has to be isolated if "mechanical maintenance " or electrical maintenance is being carried out. Others say that the N does not have to be disconnected from the appliance.


    Table 537.4 allows a switched fused connection unit which is double pole switched to be used as an isolator. It also allows a non switched fused connection unit to be used as an isolator, but that will only disconnect the L pole when the fuse is removed.


    Z.
  • perspicacious:
    The idea of the fan isolator was to keep the lights on when servicing the fan.



    That really is a ridiculous reason.


    ​​​​​​​What about if you want to service the lights with the fan on?


  • geoffsd:
    perspicacious:
    The idea of the fan isolator was to keep the lights on when servicing the fan.



    That really is a ridiculous reason.


    What about if you want to service the lights with the fan on?


     


    It’s not for me to question the reasoning but the the idea was that you could maintain the fan whilst keeping the lights on in a bathroom without a window. 


  • The photos and the diagram don’t match up.
  • The front and the back of the fitting doesn’t even match up in the photos, don’t waste your money.