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Broken lens on PIR security light EICR code

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Hi 

 

Working on a property today and one of the issues was a PIR light not working, this was resoled by bending the lamp connections. But I noticed the lense on the on the PIR was old and cracked, trying to make my mind up between C2 and C3. Owners are selling soon and the property hasn't been touched for 16 years and will need some renovation by the next owners.

The light is at about 3m and out of reach, earthed and protected by an RCD. It's a halogen light therefore presumably the PIR is switching 240V and the PIR is at the bottom, I suspect if any water does enter it will run out before getting to the electrics. The electrics certainly seemed to be working, I didn't dig too deep as I suspect it would have lead to the lense breaking.

Looking at NAPIT code breakers below the crux of the matter is, is it likely to lead to potential danger. Given the above I am leaning towards it being unlikely to cause potential danger and a  C3.

What are your opinions?

 

Thanks

 

Alan

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    Alan B: 
    Looking at NAPIT code breakers below the crux of the matter is, is it likely to lead to potential danger. Given the above I am leaning towards it being unlikely to cause potential danger and a  C3.

    It doesn't work, but it isn't dangerous => no code.

    I might add that these things are nothing short of a nuisance - they keep failing at home, but I wouldn't code them on that basis. 

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    I'd code it a C3 as it may get worse with time. Ignore out of reach reasoning, not applicable. The electronics may be E.L.V. operating the 240 Volt lamp via a relay, but don't rely on that. Definitely mention the deficiency as if you don't, it may come back to bite you.

     

    Anyway, aren't these old tungsten halogen lamps going to be made illegal soon?

     

    Z.

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    Please see 415.1.2

     

    Z.

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    Thanks for taking the time to answer; very much appreciated.

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    “Anyway, aren't these old tungsten halogen lamps going to be made illegal soon?”

    NO.

    Just selling them is/will be illegal.

    Many will last for years and still be quite legal

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    ebee: 
     

    “Anyway, aren't these old tungsten halogen lamps going to be made illegal soon?”

    NO.

    Just selling them is/will be illegal.

    Many will last for years and still be quite legal

    The old tungsten halogen flood lights, many rated at 500 Watts, were good for, heating the outside air, attracting flying insects, annoying your neighbours and increasing energy costs. Oh, and setting fire to wooden soffits etc.

     

    EU halogen light bulb ban: everything you need to know – Which? News

     

    Z.

     

     

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    Agreed, they were great at that, in fact you didn`t need a patio heater if a 500W TH tube was near enough

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    This is an observation. The fact it doesn't work (for whatever reason) is NOT codable. 10/10 Chris. It is RCD protected Z, why mention that reg?

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    davezawadi (David Stone): 
     

    This is an observation. The fact it doesn't work (for whatever reason) is NOT codable. 10/10 Chris. It is RCD protected Z, why mention that reg?

    Why mention that regulation? Obvious really. The enclosure is damaged and live parts may be touchable. An R.C.D. is not meant to provide sole protection in such circumstances.

     

    Z.

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    Because as Inspector Z the test “can live parts be touched”, not is it possible they might be although I cannot see a way? The difference is very important!

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