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13A Socket below and to the rear of a dual fuel stove with rear vent

Charles Carter

We have a motorhome that had a dual fuel stove (3x gas & 1x electric ring and electric fan oven) and the 13A socket has been installed on the wall below the oven section of the stove.  The sides of the stove go all the way to the floor.  Because it's got a gas grill and oven there is  vent at the rear of the hob to allow excess heat to escape from the rear of the stove.

The socket is 100mm above the floor but the floor is vented to the outside to comply with the gas regulations so I think the height shouldn't be an issue.

The issue is when a pan boils over the liquid can get down the back of the stove and onto the 13A socket which trips the RCD.  The manufacture claims the motorhome has passed all the relevant electrical checks but to me this just doesn't seam correct. 

Is there a regulations / compliance  document that would cover this installation and, if not compliant, could be used to encourage the manufacturer to perform a modification to make the installation compliant?

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    Typical range cooker installation instructions 
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    115 mm height to top of socket outlet is likely to breach 553.1.5.

    Regards

    BOD

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    0 Former Community Member

    Is there a regulations / compliance  document that would cover this installation and, if not compliant, could be used to encourage the manufacturer to perform a modification to make the installation compliant?

    Probably in the instructions that come with the cooker suggesting that it isn't left unattended and used by suitable persons?

    Regards

    BOD

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    perspicacious: 
    Probably in the instructions that come with the cooker suggesting that it isn't left unattended and used by suitable persons?

    My Mrs P nearly burned down the kitchen once. It was only my impatience for my bacon sandwich which saved the day.

    I did wonder why things keep boiling over in this motorhome. I think that situation exceeds the design specification.

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    0 Former Community Member

    I did wonder why things keep boiling over?

    Cooking or domestic harmony Chris?

    Regards

    BAD & BED

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    perspicacious: 
     

    115 mm height to top of socket outlet is likely to breach 553.1.5.

    Regards

    BOD

    Anywhere else and the cooker may not fit back to the wall.

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    perspicacious: 
     

    115 mm height to top of socket outlet is likely to breach 553.1.5.

    Regards

    BOD

     

    At the risk of coming across like Kryten in Red Dwarf wittering about regulation 43124 and false teeth in zero gravity.. 

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mnvUIaoEdq4

    Surely Sir  did not intend to summon the regulations allowing use of a shaver socket ?, but perhaps had in mind

    553.1.6
    A socket-outlet on a wall or similar structure shall be mounted at a height above the floor or any
    working surface to minimize the risk of mechanical damage to the socket-outlet or to an associated plug and its flexible cable which might be caused during insertion, use or withdrawal of the plug.
    Or 

    553.1. 7 
    Where mobile equipment is likely to be used, provision shall be made so that the equipment can be fed from an adjacent and conveniently accessible socket-outlet, taking account of the length of flexible cable normally fitted to portable appliances and luminaires.

    I'd not be worrying about either of those to be honest, rather what fits behind or beside the cooker.

    It won't be anything like as big as the one illustrated above unless this is in a 7,5 tonne lorry….

    Mike

     

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    I imagine it is more like one of these

    https://leisurelines.net/thetford-minigrill-dual-fuel-cooker-3-gas-burners-1-electric-hotplate--grill-w-glass-lid--ignitio-7305-p.asp

     

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    perspicacious: 
     

    115 mm height to top of socket outlet is likely to breach 553.1.5.

    Regards

    BOD

    I don't geddit? Why?

     

    Z.

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