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13A Socket below and to the rear of a dual fuel stove with rear vent

Charles Carter

We have a motorhome that had a dual fuel stove (3x gas & 1x electric ring and electric fan oven) and the 13A socket has been installed on the wall below the oven section of the stove.  The sides of the stove go all the way to the floor.  Because it's got a gas grill and oven there is  vent at the rear of the hob to allow excess heat to escape from the rear of the stove.

The socket is 100mm above the floor but the floor is vented to the outside to comply with the gas regulations so I think the height shouldn't be an issue.

The issue is when a pan boils over the liquid can get down the back of the stove and onto the 13A socket which trips the RCD.  The manufacture claims the motorhome has passed all the relevant electrical checks but to me this just doesn't seam correct. 

Is there a regulations / compliance  document that would cover this installation and, if not compliant, could be used to encourage the manufacturer to perform a modification to make the installation compliant?

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    mapj1: 
     

    I imagine it is more like one of these

    https://leisurelines.net/thetford-minigrill-dual-fuel-cooker-3-gas-burners-1-electric-hotplate--grill-w-glass-lid--ignitio-7305-p.asp

    D

     

    You would hope so, something designed for the purpose that appears to have a trip tray.

    Having had many years involved with kitchen companies I know that the complaint would receive a response of “turn the heat down“.

    I can think of a number of complaints a water damage to kitchens due to the actions of the users, none of them were ever taken seriously.

    There is an electric hob in our kitchen, we don’t allow boiling water to run over the countertop and drip down onto the floor, the kitchen would be wrecked in days.

     

     

     

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    The “mobile situations” comment is written by a lawyer who knows nothing of ships or fiddles! He should try a stove on a small boat in a storm, can still be done! There is of course some minor risk if the cook is an idiot, but then “idiot-proof” is now a serious requirment.

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    In the Armed Forces' sail training craft, fouly bottoms have to be worn when cooking at sea - apparently, it scalds less. If one couldn't make tea, sailing would be a very bleak activity.

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    0 Former Community Member

    Surely Sir  did not intend to summon the regulations allowing use of a shaver socket ?, but perhaps had in mind

    553.1.6
    A socket-outlet on a wall or similar structure shall be mounted at a height above the floor or any
    working surface to minimize the risk of mechanical damage to the socket-outlet or to an associated plug and its flexible cable which might be caused during insertion, use or withdrawal of the plug.
     

    Whoops, Sir did intend 553.1.6 Mike!

    Regards

    BOD

  • Former Community Member
    0 Former Community Member

    I don't get it? Why?

    As Mike pointed out, wrong Reg number! Reading the intended one, would you install a socket-outlet with its lower edge 30 mm above a surface? Think “moulded on” plugs……….

    Regards

    BOD

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    0 Former Community Member

    Anywhere else and the cooker may not fit back to the wall.

    I'd like to think that the manufacturer would take into account the requirements of BS 7671 when designing it to be connected to an electrical installation Andy…..

    Regards

    BOD

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    perspicacious: 
     

    Anywhere else and the cooker may not fit back to the wall.

    I'd like to think that the manufacturer would take into account the requirements of BS 7671 when designing it to be connected to an electrical installation Andy…..

    Regards

    BOD

    It is of course possible to locate a socket to one side of the deep appliance, say in a cupboard, with a suitable access hole for the plug and flex. It is just down to joined up design and installation.

     

    Z.

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    perspicacious: 
     

    I don't get it? Why?

    As Mike pointed out, wrong Reg number! Reading the intended one, would you install a socket-outlet with its lower edge 30 mm above a surface? Think “moulded on” plugs……….

    Regards

    BOD

    Indeed, Mike and I posted at the same time. I was not aware of his post until I had posted mine. Is there any reason that the low 13 Amp socket could not be installed on its side so that any flex came away horizontally?

     

    Z.

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    Sockets in under worktop cupboards is tat

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    ebee: 
    Sockets in under worktop cupboards is tat

    Agreed, but sometimes there is no choice. Daughter's fancy cooker runs off 2 x 13 A plugs. It is forbidden to remove them. It is hard up against the wall so they had to go behind the adjacent cupboard. They are properly installed in the wall with a window for access. That still doesn't ensure that they do not get bashed by pots and pans. ?

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