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Why STEEL in SWA?

Admittedly I don't make off a lot of SWA, but do occasionally and can usually do a decent job in a reasonable time but the other day I had to terminate a couple of SWAs into an awkward position (back of  cupboard, restricted space, having to work left handed, and not quite enough space to get a spanner in and so on) and got to thinking there must be a better way…

Most of the difficulty was around glanding off the actual steel armour - trying to get everything aligned and tightened in a confined space seemed more like the less desirable aspects of being a plumber rather than an electrician. Split-con would have appealed - as then a simple stuffing gland could have been used and the copper outers just pig-tailed into the terminals, but as the cables go underground split-con isn't permitted any more. Which got me thinking - why is the armour in SWA steel? (apart from the name of course) - had it been copper it could be terminated like split-con. The physical robustness of steel seems rather wasted since if the cable is penetrated by something the steel strands are easily displaced (as in the garden fork experiment) - so really it is ADS that the armour gives us in way of safety rather than an impenetrable mechanical barrier - and copper if anything would be better than steel at enabling ADS. The DNOs use concentric cables with just copper “armour”, if as a PEN rather than just PE, but the principle is the same.

So I guess I'm coming around to copper concentric cables, but with an extra core for a separate N - it could still be glanded off using brass glands if you really wanted to, but you'd have the option of just pig-tailing the c.p.c. where that was more appropriate.

That might feel like it's going to be more expensive (copper instead of steel), but as most people use and extra core in SWA for c.p.c. in parallel with the armour, it's really just moving that copper to the armour instead - so really it's a saving of the steel with no extra copper required. So perhaps slightly cheaper and slightly smaller o.d. cables.

Any other takers for “CWA" cables?

     - Andy.

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  • Hi Andy not sure of your digging experience but anyone that puts a spake/fork/pick through any properly installed underground cabling has probably ignored the marker tape etc? With regards excavator buckets even the smallest machine will rip through a modest cable in half a second, there is no guarantee that electrical disconnection will occur.

    A fair bit at a small scale - if by spade ?

    Marker tapes are a nice addition, but ones anywhere near the surface seem to have a habit of going missing during landscape works by others - (personally I like to add a 2nd, deeper, closer to the cable, but the lack of depth over the cable means there's a lot less warning, so again can't be relied upon). BS 7671 requires marker tape (or equivalent) in addition to earthed armour (or equivalent) - not instead of.

    Perhaps I should have mentioned the other favourite - metal spikes for fence posts - which can easily reach down 600mm - further if landscaping has lowered the surface - and they are of course bind to any buried warnings. These days with the trend for dividing the garden up into ‘rooms’ or adding pergolas etc. posts can end up anywhere in the garden not just on the boundaries.

    Interesting point about the ‘cutting’ taking less than the ADS time (which could reasonably be up to 5s) - I'm not sure an excavator bucket would be sharp enough to cut cleanly through a cable without mangling the end enough to leave the armour at some point in contact with a core - but even if it did at least the excavator bucket wouldn't be live, even  if a few sq mm at the exposed end of the cable were. If the excavator bucket were still in contact with a live core, then it would almost certainly be in contact with the armour too - so ADS would be expected to operate, and in any event the armour shouldn't be left hazardous live.

       - Andy.

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  • Hi Andy not sure of your digging experience but anyone that puts a spake/fork/pick through any properly installed underground cabling has probably ignored the marker tape etc? With regards excavator buckets even the smallest machine will rip through a modest cable in half a second, there is no guarantee that electrical disconnection will occur.

    A fair bit at a small scale - if by spade ?

    Marker tapes are a nice addition, but ones anywhere near the surface seem to have a habit of going missing during landscape works by others - (personally I like to add a 2nd, deeper, closer to the cable, but the lack of depth over the cable means there's a lot less warning, so again can't be relied upon). BS 7671 requires marker tape (or equivalent) in addition to earthed armour (or equivalent) - not instead of.

    Perhaps I should have mentioned the other favourite - metal spikes for fence posts - which can easily reach down 600mm - further if landscaping has lowered the surface - and they are of course bind to any buried warnings. These days with the trend for dividing the garden up into ‘rooms’ or adding pergolas etc. posts can end up anywhere in the garden not just on the boundaries.

    Interesting point about the ‘cutting’ taking less than the ADS time (which could reasonably be up to 5s) - I'm not sure an excavator bucket would be sharp enough to cut cleanly through a cable without mangling the end enough to leave the armour at some point in contact with a core - but even if it did at least the excavator bucket wouldn't be live, even  if a few sq mm at the exposed end of the cable were. If the excavator bucket were still in contact with a live core, then it would almost certainly be in contact with the armour too - so ADS would be expected to operate, and in any event the armour shouldn't be left hazardous live.

       - Andy.

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