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Videos of EICRs on Youtube

I am interested in comments from anyone on the youtube videos, there are several purporting to show EICR procedures. As most know I am currently researching this, and am collecting data.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RzdQ4kH1G6M

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wIlwmp7Ks2w

are of particular interest, ignore any comments I may have left, I want your comments.

 

Kind regards

David

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  • psychicwarrior: 
     

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    psychicwarrior: 
     

    AJJewsbury: 
     

    if the protective device would activate in the Regs requisite time, what does it matter if there is no RCD

    That's part of the issue though - when a socket is feeding things outside the user is more likely to use long extension leads and then it's hard to ensure that Zs will be adequate for L-PE faults at the far end (even given the 13A fuse). Even these days not all garden equipment is Class II.

      - Andy.

    Agreed :-) Because there is a socket that may or may not be near a door where someone may or may not plug in a long lead appliance that [they state] may or may not be used outdoors (and who is responsible for any of those) and may or may not be well maintained or may or may not be used appropriately, then the installation is thus unsafe/unsatisfactory for continued use … unless/until the face is changed to RCD, or the circuit is provided RCD protection, or the board changed; but a plug in RCD device is not acceptable.  I'm being obtuse.

    It would be disappointing if anyone thinks this, but one must not take this as raging against improving safety or lacking in the ability to appreciate that a non-faulty RCD is a huge improvement generally speaking, which is accepted. It is a consideration on whether a [whole] installation is reported as no longer safe for continued use, when it was previously and probably still is and perhaps depending on how it is ‘driven’ . Everything can be potentially dangerous if one searches hard enough and H&S is an interfering, misused and abused beast at times in the ‘wrong’ hands.

    Perhaps if that [socket for use outdoors no RCD] was the only issue, one might just change the face and have done with it and issue a ‘satisfactory’. Of course no RCD anywhere makes alterations somewhat tricky too going forward.

    Any way, regardless of what ‘we’ think, there does need to be a consistent well defined set of  standards for all to consistently follow for inspections, whatever that ends up being.  I rest.

    Note what Chris said earlier

     

    “411.3.3 mandates RCD protection for all sockets in dwellings (> 32 A is hardly domestic) and mobile equipment for use outdoors. Mobile equipment includes things on wheels (e.g. pressure washer, lawnmower) and well as portable equipment - anything which may be carried, not just hedge trimmers.”

     

    Z.

    Just so i can rest easy; for clarification: "note" in relation, please, to what (bit or all) i said, or “note” about [retrospective] application/consideration during condition inspection outcomes (not about verification of new work) as I thought this was mainly about. 

    The requirements of B.S. 7671 for domestic installations as referred to in the two videos in post number 1 applies. This applies to Inspection and Testing and the issuing of an E.I.C.R. and the need for R.C.D. protection in domestic installations. Also 411.3.4 applies to lighting circuits. And 701.411.3.3 covers the need for 30mA R.C.D.s to protect certain locations such as locations containing a bath or shower.

     

    Z.

     

     

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  • psychicwarrior: 
     

    Zoomup: 
     

    psychicwarrior: 
     

    AJJewsbury: 
     

    if the protective device would activate in the Regs requisite time, what does it matter if there is no RCD

    That's part of the issue though - when a socket is feeding things outside the user is more likely to use long extension leads and then it's hard to ensure that Zs will be adequate for L-PE faults at the far end (even given the 13A fuse). Even these days not all garden equipment is Class II.

      - Andy.

    Agreed :-) Because there is a socket that may or may not be near a door where someone may or may not plug in a long lead appliance that [they state] may or may not be used outdoors (and who is responsible for any of those) and may or may not be well maintained or may or may not be used appropriately, then the installation is thus unsafe/unsatisfactory for continued use … unless/until the face is changed to RCD, or the circuit is provided RCD protection, or the board changed; but a plug in RCD device is not acceptable.  I'm being obtuse.

    It would be disappointing if anyone thinks this, but one must not take this as raging against improving safety or lacking in the ability to appreciate that a non-faulty RCD is a huge improvement generally speaking, which is accepted. It is a consideration on whether a [whole] installation is reported as no longer safe for continued use, when it was previously and probably still is and perhaps depending on how it is ‘driven’ . Everything can be potentially dangerous if one searches hard enough and H&S is an interfering, misused and abused beast at times in the ‘wrong’ hands.

    Perhaps if that [socket for use outdoors no RCD] was the only issue, one might just change the face and have done with it and issue a ‘satisfactory’. Of course no RCD anywhere makes alterations somewhat tricky too going forward.

    Any way, regardless of what ‘we’ think, there does need to be a consistent well defined set of  standards for all to consistently follow for inspections, whatever that ends up being.  I rest.

    Note what Chris said earlier

     

    “411.3.3 mandates RCD protection for all sockets in dwellings (> 32 A is hardly domestic) and mobile equipment for use outdoors. Mobile equipment includes things on wheels (e.g. pressure washer, lawnmower) and well as portable equipment - anything which may be carried, not just hedge trimmers.”

     

    Z.

    Just so i can rest easy; for clarification: "note" in relation, please, to what (bit or all) i said, or “note” about [retrospective] application/consideration during condition inspection outcomes (not about verification of new work) as I thought this was mainly about. 

    The requirements of B.S. 7671 for domestic installations as referred to in the two videos in post number 1 applies. This applies to Inspection and Testing and the issuing of an E.I.C.R. and the need for R.C.D. protection in domestic installations. Also 411.3.4 applies to lighting circuits. And 701.411.3.3 covers the need for 30mA R.C.D.s to protect certain locations such as locations containing a bath or shower.

     

    Z.

     

     

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