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ebee: 
 

Rather than hijack an existing thread I thought a new thread might better serve.

A few times I have stated my dislike of the way some folk few acceptance of installations undertaken to earlier editions of our "Regs" being compared to installtions being done very recently.

For those of you (if any) who are not aware of my stance I will repeat it (Yes again, sorry folks).

When doing an EICR/PIR a defect is noted and if that defect was compliant at the time of the actual install then some would not code it at all or perhaps code it more leniently.

I say this is very silly.

A defect should be recorded and if you think it sufficiently impacts on "safety"  (relative safety reallY) then should be coded as appropriate.

We I & T to todays standard and compare it to that.

We might reasonably consider how safe/unsafe we perceive it to be if we compare it to things past.

Those of us who are older and remember earlier Editions of Regs might ,admitadley, be less severe with our coding than a more newbie electrician. That should not be the case but in reality it might well be. We often use that as a mental reference to effect our perception of "safety".

However, no relevance in coding different outcomes should ever be based purely upon the install date (therefore Reg Edition in force at that particular time). It must be purely based on how it compares with our standards now.

So quick answers as to what items we would have not felt aprehensive about in days gone but might concern us a bit more nowadays?

I`ll start of with inclusion of RCDs and Bonding presence/sizing.

Any more?

I agree with the above. B.S. 3036 rewireable fuse carriers in fuse boxes. Still allowed to be used but liable to dangerous misuse by the home owner are on my list. Also B.S. 1361 cartridge fuse fuse boxes, where the ability to obtain the correct size new fuses these days is becoming much more difficult and expensive. Silver paper wrapped around a blown cartridge fuse is just plain wrong and dangerous.

Oh, and '80s flimsy plastic consumer units where the plastic cover fixing screws often do not work properly, and the cover is only just held in place more by luck than anything else.

Z.

ebee: 
 

Rather than hijack an existing thread I thought a new thread might better serve.

A few times I have stated my dislike of the way some folk few acceptance of installations undertaken to earlier editions of our "Regs" being compared to installtions being done very recently.

For those of you (if any) who are not aware of my stance I will repeat it (Yes again, sorry folks).

When doing an EICR/PIR a defect is noted and if that defect was compliant at the time of the actual install then some would not code it at all or perhaps code it more leniently.

I say this is very silly.

A defect should be recorded and if you think it sufficiently impacts on "safety"  (relative safety reallY) then should be coded as appropriate.

We I & T to todays standard and compare it to that.

We might reasonably consider how safe/unsafe we perceive it to be if we compare it to things past.

Those of us who are older and remember earlier Editions of Regs might ,admitadley, be less severe with our coding than a more newbie electrician. That should not be the case but in reality it might well be. We often use that as a mental reference to effect our perception of "safety".

However, no relevance in coding different outcomes should ever be based purely upon the install date (therefore Reg Edition in force at that particular time). It must be purely based on how it compares with our standards now.

So quick answers as to what items we would have not felt aprehensive about in days gone but might concern us a bit more nowadays?

I`ll start of with inclusion of RCDs and Bonding presence/sizing.

Any more?

I agree with the above. B.S. 3036 rewireable fuse carriers in fuse boxes. Still allowed to be used but liable to dangerous misuse by the home owner are on my list. Also B.S. 1361 cartridge fuse fuse boxes, where the ability to obtain the correct size new fuses these days is becoming much more difficult and expensive. Silver paper wrapped around a blown cartridge fuse is just plain wrong and dangerous.

Oh, and '80s flimsy plastic consumer units where the plastic cover fixing screws often do not work properly, and the cover is only just held in place more by luck than anything else.

Z.