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Range Cooker Connection Refusal.

A lady today asked me to estimate to do some cooker circuit alterations in her house. She has an old electric range cooker in the kitchen which she is to replace with a new one rated at about 11.2kW.

 

A certain national electrical retailer would not connect up her new and paid for range cooker as the cooker supply is run in 10.00mm2 T&E and protected by a B50 M.C.B. plus R.C.D.

 

The reason given was that the supply is too big and will overload the new cooker.

 

The retailer insisted that the  B50 M.C.B. be replaced by a B40 M.C.B. and the final cooker connection from connection unit to cooker, be run in 6.0mm2, the 10.002 final connection being removed.

 

Comments please.

 

Z.

 

 

 

 

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  • This is ridiculous, why are some comments trying to justify the unjustifiable? This is another manifestation of the “Manufacturers Instructions” problem, or at least is likely to be. If the manufacturer wants the supply fused at some value, they should fit the MCB to the product, or a fuse. If the design is so bad as to need a 40A rather than 50A breaker it is fundamentally flawed and should not be offered for sale. This costs very little money, much less than demanding a particular supply configuration. The idea that a cable can be “too large” is simply daft, and fundamentally untrue. 

    I find that manufacturers' instructions are less and less satisfactory by the week. They are often written for multiple countries, whose supplies differ, without any account taken of this. They are often “get out of jail” kinds of nonsense. Retail packed electrical accessories often say something like “refer to an electrician”, when not doing this is why they sell retail packed items! For major products, they are often worse, with comments like “caution hot surfaces, may cause serious burns” on a cooker! The same is written on some 6W LED lamps, they hardly get warm. As above, showers now seem to have strange instructions too. They try to specify a cable size, a breaker rating but do not mention the bonding requirements for bathrooms, or the cable installation method, and are based on 24/7 operation that cannot be sustained by the shower itself. They often require RCD protection which BS7671 may not. This is all very bad indeed.

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  • This is ridiculous, why are some comments trying to justify the unjustifiable? This is another manifestation of the “Manufacturers Instructions” problem, or at least is likely to be. If the manufacturer wants the supply fused at some value, they should fit the MCB to the product, or a fuse. If the design is so bad as to need a 40A rather than 50A breaker it is fundamentally flawed and should not be offered for sale. This costs very little money, much less than demanding a particular supply configuration. The idea that a cable can be “too large” is simply daft, and fundamentally untrue. 

    I find that manufacturers' instructions are less and less satisfactory by the week. They are often written for multiple countries, whose supplies differ, without any account taken of this. They are often “get out of jail” kinds of nonsense. Retail packed electrical accessories often say something like “refer to an electrician”, when not doing this is why they sell retail packed items! For major products, they are often worse, with comments like “caution hot surfaces, may cause serious burns” on a cooker! The same is written on some 6W LED lamps, they hardly get warm. As above, showers now seem to have strange instructions too. They try to specify a cable size, a breaker rating but do not mention the bonding requirements for bathrooms, or the cable installation method, and are based on 24/7 operation that cannot be sustained by the shower itself. They often require RCD protection which BS7671 may not. This is all very bad indeed.

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