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Live - Neutral reverse from plug in tester

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Hi, being retired for 2 years i was in trade as domestic electrcian for 10 years then commercail for next 40 years. So have high level od experience in field, yet never experienced the below unrational fault.

Really baffling me now (and an  independant competant electrican contractor) is a recent problem where i found using Martindale plug in tester (also using  independant contractors KEW plug in tester) that on a ring circuit somewhare in its middle 2 outlets read L-N reverse.

Yet taking off the outlets, the cables are connected correctly and live tested live in its correct position so Plug top fuse was correctly protecting appliances. This is on a recently extended ring circuit for room extension. I have read other blogs where they say the earth could be live or at least have a voltage presence, or that the earth CPC in fact could be floating so having volts induced to it.  Both scary thoughts.   

Any one had same issue please and what was found to then correct fault. 

I have yet to do a local earth test of the cpc at the two outlets and check the consumer unit earth connection to the main incoming supply.  Also all other outlets in house test correctly so assume main earth connection is not a problem and the RCD as main isolator passes its tests,

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  • Sadly there are some truly dire installations out there, and unless I am unlucky in the ones I see, I would agree that things like part P and a ‘do not touch leave it to the experts’ advice is working against us - having customers who have enough knowledge to spot poor work is actually useful in preventing standards slipping too far at the shallow end. There is an unhealthy obsession with paper trails, registrations  and risk assessments, and not enough practical instruction of the basic levels e.g.  “give it a good pull, and if it falls out it's a failure so go back and re-do it so it does not” sort of level.

    As a PS when the ring was first mooted in the 1940s some of the early advice suggested that the conductors of the ring should be unbroken. Now I presume this advice was not written by anyone with much practical nouse, as threading conduits or indeed just about anything, and stripping cores part way along at each fitting is a non-starter, but a solid twist became the way to ensure ring integrity. Only with the rise of testing in a way that requires unpicking the ring at regular intervals has the advice changed to wires side by side.  Maybe we will go all USA at some point in the future and start having a 1 wire one terminal rule, and thinner wires and radials.

    Mike.

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  • Sadly there are some truly dire installations out there, and unless I am unlucky in the ones I see, I would agree that things like part P and a ‘do not touch leave it to the experts’ advice is working against us - having customers who have enough knowledge to spot poor work is actually useful in preventing standards slipping too far at the shallow end. There is an unhealthy obsession with paper trails, registrations  and risk assessments, and not enough practical instruction of the basic levels e.g.  “give it a good pull, and if it falls out it's a failure so go back and re-do it so it does not” sort of level.

    As a PS when the ring was first mooted in the 1940s some of the early advice suggested that the conductors of the ring should be unbroken. Now I presume this advice was not written by anyone with much practical nouse, as threading conduits or indeed just about anything, and stripping cores part way along at each fitting is a non-starter, but a solid twist became the way to ensure ring integrity. Only with the rise of testing in a way that requires unpicking the ring at regular intervals has the advice changed to wires side by side.  Maybe we will go all USA at some point in the future and start having a 1 wire one terminal rule, and thinner wires and radials.

    Mike.

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