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Main and sub distribution boards - Circuit Breakers

a. I have a UPS (200kVA) at 230V 3 phase output, the ampere rating is 500A which feeds the main distribution board.
b. The Main Distribution Board has an Incoming MCCB with 630A and there are several outgoing circuit breakers at the Main distribution board, out of which 1 circuit breaker is of 25A MCB (Q1) 3P powers the secondary distribution board. 

c. The cable between the the Main distribution board and the secondary distribution board is protected against overloads and short-circuits by the mentioned circuit breaker (Q1)

d. At the arrival of the Secondary Distribution Board I have a 25A 4P Switch Disconnector (S1)

e. There are several outgoing circuit breakers at the secondary distribution board, out of which one  circuit breaker is of 25A MCB (Q2) 3P

1. How do I check manually that circuit breaker (Q1) is discriminated against the fault at the secondary of the outgoing breakers at the secondary distribution board?
2. Should I install 6A or 10A MCB in place of 25A MCB (Q2) to have a better discrimination
3. Do any standard limit the number of circuit breakers in the secondary distribution board? If no standard states it, what is the general engineering practice?

4. Should I have 4P MCB in place of 3P 25A MCB (Q1). When do I need to have 4P MCB?

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  • I was about to respond to this when Mike's response popped up. However I will still add to what he has said.

    Regarding 1, I am not sure what you mean by ‘check manually’. The way to check is to look at the current-time characteristics of the two breakers and see if there is an overlap (where an overlap indicates lack of discrimination). As the discrimination is achieved either gestcurrent or time (or both) the fact that both are 25A breakers and both MCBs (and hence unlikely to have adjustments) suggests to me that you do not have any discrimination between the two (and if they are identical breakers you can be certain of this). It is possible to get current injection equipment to test this but unlikely to tell you anything you can't see from the current-time graphs. This does ignore the fact that the upstream breaker will have a higher current than the downstream breaker by virtue of the other circuits in operation, but at fault current levels this will probably not make that much difference.

    Regarding 2, replacing the breaker with a lower rating CB is an option, but only if you have the option of doing so. If you have a 20A load then putting in a 10A or 16A breaker is not practical. Also don't forget that if you have a motor the starting current shouldn't be tripping the breaker so a 16A flc motor may need a larger breaker rating than 16A.

    I am not aware of any standard which limits the number of CBs on a secondary distribution board. It is normally down to how many circuits are needed and the size of the board (that is, how large you can make it to fit in the space available) as you can only fit in as many CBs as there is space available, which may drive you to multiple DBs.

    For the rest, I will bow to the wisdom of mapj1….

    Alasdair

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  • I was about to respond to this when Mike's response popped up. However I will still add to what he has said.

    Regarding 1, I am not sure what you mean by ‘check manually’. The way to check is to look at the current-time characteristics of the two breakers and see if there is an overlap (where an overlap indicates lack of discrimination). As the discrimination is achieved either gestcurrent or time (or both) the fact that both are 25A breakers and both MCBs (and hence unlikely to have adjustments) suggests to me that you do not have any discrimination between the two (and if they are identical breakers you can be certain of this). It is possible to get current injection equipment to test this but unlikely to tell you anything you can't see from the current-time graphs. This does ignore the fact that the upstream breaker will have a higher current than the downstream breaker by virtue of the other circuits in operation, but at fault current levels this will probably not make that much difference.

    Regarding 2, replacing the breaker with a lower rating CB is an option, but only if you have the option of doing so. If you have a 20A load then putting in a 10A or 16A breaker is not practical. Also don't forget that if you have a motor the starting current shouldn't be tripping the breaker so a 16A flc motor may need a larger breaker rating than 16A.

    I am not aware of any standard which limits the number of CBs on a secondary distribution board. It is normally down to how many circuits are needed and the size of the board (that is, how large you can make it to fit in the space available) as you can only fit in as many CBs as there is space available, which may drive you to multiple DBs.

    For the rest, I will bow to the wisdom of mapj1….

    Alasdair

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