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Diversity and the resilience of circuit protection.

Following a report from a well respected Contributor here, I've been tasked with sorting out a few problems in a house.

One of them is a good lesson in diversity for cooking appliances.

A 45 amp circuit breaker, 6mm T+E cable, running in some patches of insulation, so a nominal 34 amps current carrying capacity. Probably a little more, as the insulation is not continuous, and is patchy in the void the cable runs through.

This cable supplies 6 appliances. Oven 3.6kW, hob 6.2kW,frying plate 2.4kW, large microwave 2.6kW, Steamer 5.6kW and a warming drawer at 0.7kW. A total nominal rating of 94kW.

With the current diversity guidance in the OSG, this install complies (forgetting about the overloaded cable) with the hob at 10 amps, and the rest at 30% of their rating, giving a total of 32 amps but it just doesn't feel right. To get a little better control, and fault reduction, I had intended to put 2 extra new supplies in, to divide them up, I've since put one supply in, but the second one is getting rather difficult to install without taking apart the kitchen.

The oven (16amp) was on a plugtop, with no signs of overheating, or reports of problems from the householder. A 20 amp DP switch, which supplied the steamer, microwave and drawer did show a little heat damage, though that could well have been a loose connection.

So it goes back to the pragmatic view, how much can a small family cook at the same time, and there we have the diversity. They say there are 2 hob rings they never use, the fryer is rarely used etc. So the typical load is less than 3kW once the oven has warmed up.

Even with the Christmas day dinner cooking, I cannot see much more than 30 amps being pulled for a short period, hence no overheating of the cable, and no tripping of the circuit.

The circuit breakers are now 32 amps.

I heard a whisper that guidance on Diversity is changing, has anyone else heard what may be changing? 

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    The 14th Edition (Regulations for the Electrical Equipment of Buildings by the I.E.E.) dated 1966 and including amendments up until 1976 in Reg. A.27 had the old cooker final sub-circuit rating calculated from:

     The first 10 Amps of total rated current.

    Plus 30 per cent of the remainder,

    Plus 5 Amps for a socket outlet incorporated into the cooker control unit.

    That may have been o.k. for free standing cookers of the time which had four rings, a grill and an oven, with perhaps a kettle plugged into the socket outlet.

    But today?

    Z.

    Fine “back in the day” and still fine IMHO in the modern age for a cooker as you describe.

    But should not mean that multiple high loading other cooking appliances can be prudently connected to the "cooker" circuit.

    Steamers and microwave ovens were not normally part of a conventional electric cooker, and should not in my view be added to an existing or proposed cooker circuit.

    (a microwave oven built in to a cooker instead of a conventional oven is arguably OK as the loading is not thereby increased over a conventional oven. But a microwave oven IN ADDITION is different as both might be used together.)

     

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    The 14th Edition (Regulations for the Electrical Equipment of Buildings by the I.E.E.) dated 1966 and including amendments up until 1976 in Reg. A.27 had the old cooker final sub-circuit rating calculated from:

     The first 10 Amps of total rated current.

    Plus 30 per cent of the remainder,

    Plus 5 Amps for a socket outlet incorporated into the cooker control unit.

    That may have been o.k. for free standing cookers of the time which had four rings, a grill and an oven, with perhaps a kettle plugged into the socket outlet.

    But today?

    Z.

    Fine “back in the day” and still fine IMHO in the modern age for a cooker as you describe.

    But should not mean that multiple high loading other cooking appliances can be prudently connected to the "cooker" circuit.

    Steamers and microwave ovens were not normally part of a conventional electric cooker, and should not in my view be added to an existing or proposed cooker circuit.

    (a microwave oven built in to a cooker instead of a conventional oven is arguably OK as the loading is not thereby increased over a conventional oven. But a microwave oven IN ADDITION is different as both might be used together.)

     

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