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Diversity and the resilience of circuit protection.

Following a report from a well respected Contributor here, I've been tasked with sorting out a few problems in a house.

One of them is a good lesson in diversity for cooking appliances.

A 45 amp circuit breaker, 6mm T+E cable, running in some patches of insulation, so a nominal 34 amps current carrying capacity. Probably a little more, as the insulation is not continuous, and is patchy in the void the cable runs through.

This cable supplies 6 appliances. Oven 3.6kW, hob 6.2kW,frying plate 2.4kW, large microwave 2.6kW, Steamer 5.6kW and a warming drawer at 0.7kW. A total nominal rating of 94kW.

With the current diversity guidance in the OSG, this install complies (forgetting about the overloaded cable) with the hob at 10 amps, and the rest at 30% of their rating, giving a total of 32 amps but it just doesn't feel right. To get a little better control, and fault reduction, I had intended to put 2 extra new supplies in, to divide them up, I've since put one supply in, but the second one is getting rather difficult to install without taking apart the kitchen.

The oven (16amp) was on a plugtop, with no signs of overheating, or reports of problems from the householder. A 20 amp DP switch, which supplied the steamer, microwave and drawer did show a little heat damage, though that could well have been a loose connection.

So it goes back to the pragmatic view, how much can a small family cook at the same time, and there we have the diversity. They say there are 2 hob rings they never use, the fryer is rarely used etc. So the typical load is less than 3kW once the oven has warmed up.

Even with the Christmas day dinner cooking, I cannot see much more than 30 amps being pulled for a short period, hence no overheating of the cable, and no tripping of the circuit.

The circuit breakers are now 32 amps.

I heard a whisper that guidance on Diversity is changing, has anyone else heard what may be changing? 

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  • Why did you change the breaker to 32A? There was no sign of a problem, but you tried to decide that the circuit design is unsatisfactory. Why is it unsatisfactory? It works, shows no sign of damage, and is satisfactory to the customer. Did you tell him he needed more circuit(s), because if so I find your opinion to be both groundless and fraudulent? You may feel I am being unfair, but I do not. The commercial microwave (or perhaps microwave / conventional) oven is very unlikely to take more than 5A ON AVERAGE, and the other heating appliances all have thermostats so take around the ½ power rating even if all on at once ON AVERAGE. Average in this case is over a suitable period, typically an hour, so the cable rating and breaker size (45A) are both perfectly satisfactory. I assume you think that the cable may overheat, but it will not at around half the rating, although the peak current may be more than its continuous rating. Another case where the Electrician does not understand diversity! By the way, the total load is NOT 92kW as you say. An EV charger is completely different from any other domestic load except off-peak heating. Nothing else runs for long periods at full power.

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  • Why did you change the breaker to 32A? There was no sign of a problem, but you tried to decide that the circuit design is unsatisfactory. Why is it unsatisfactory? It works, shows no sign of damage, and is satisfactory to the customer. Did you tell him he needed more circuit(s), because if so I find your opinion to be both groundless and fraudulent? You may feel I am being unfair, but I do not. The commercial microwave (or perhaps microwave / conventional) oven is very unlikely to take more than 5A ON AVERAGE, and the other heating appliances all have thermostats so take around the ½ power rating even if all on at once ON AVERAGE. Average in this case is over a suitable period, typically an hour, so the cable rating and breaker size (45A) are both perfectly satisfactory. I assume you think that the cable may overheat, but it will not at around half the rating, although the peak current may be more than its continuous rating. Another case where the Electrician does not understand diversity! By the way, the total load is NOT 92kW as you say. An EV charger is completely different from any other domestic load except off-peak heating. Nothing else runs for long periods at full power.

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