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Diversity and the resilience of circuit protection.

Following a report from a well respected Contributor here, I've been tasked with sorting out a few problems in a house.

One of them is a good lesson in diversity for cooking appliances.

A 45 amp circuit breaker, 6mm T+E cable, running in some patches of insulation, so a nominal 34 amps current carrying capacity. Probably a little more, as the insulation is not continuous, and is patchy in the void the cable runs through.

This cable supplies 6 appliances. Oven 3.6kW, hob 6.2kW,frying plate 2.4kW, large microwave 2.6kW, Steamer 5.6kW and a warming drawer at 0.7kW. A total nominal rating of 94kW.

With the current diversity guidance in the OSG, this install complies (forgetting about the overloaded cable) with the hob at 10 amps, and the rest at 30% of their rating, giving a total of 32 amps but it just doesn't feel right. To get a little better control, and fault reduction, I had intended to put 2 extra new supplies in, to divide them up, I've since put one supply in, but the second one is getting rather difficult to install without taking apart the kitchen.

The oven (16amp) was on a plugtop, with no signs of overheating, or reports of problems from the householder. A 20 amp DP switch, which supplied the steamer, microwave and drawer did show a little heat damage, though that could well have been a loose connection.

So it goes back to the pragmatic view, how much can a small family cook at the same time, and there we have the diversity. They say there are 2 hob rings they never use, the fryer is rarely used etc. So the typical load is less than 3kW once the oven has warmed up.

Even with the Christmas day dinner cooking, I cannot see much more than 30 amps being pulled for a short period, hence no overheating of the cable, and no tripping of the circuit.

The circuit breakers are now 32 amps.

I heard a whisper that guidance on Diversity is changing, has anyone else heard what may be changing? 

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  • My personal opinion about diversity is that it often conflates two issues: safety and convenience/cost tradeoff. The latter is about about making reasonable assumptions about real-word situations: in a non-industrial setting, devices such as cookers will never be consuming full power 24/7. So it saves money to not over-engineer the circuit. The worst that should happen if the assumptions turn out to be faulty is inconvenience - an aspiring Jamie Oliver may discover that if all 5 hob elements are used for long periods, the CB trips. So they'll learn never to use more than 4. If this is an issue then they can get in a sparky to upgrade the circuit.

    What should never happen is for the 5 elements in continuous use to not trip the CB but instead allow a cable to significantly overheat and get damaged.

    Or to put it another way, getting diversity guesses wrong should at worst only cause inconvenience, not threaten safety.

    And of course the thermal element in CBs already allows for reasonable temporary overloads.

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  • My personal opinion about diversity is that it often conflates two issues: safety and convenience/cost tradeoff. The latter is about about making reasonable assumptions about real-word situations: in a non-industrial setting, devices such as cookers will never be consuming full power 24/7. So it saves money to not over-engineer the circuit. The worst that should happen if the assumptions turn out to be faulty is inconvenience - an aspiring Jamie Oliver may discover that if all 5 hob elements are used for long periods, the CB trips. So they'll learn never to use more than 4. If this is an issue then they can get in a sparky to upgrade the circuit.

    What should never happen is for the 5 elements in continuous use to not trip the CB but instead allow a cable to significantly overheat and get damaged.

    Or to put it another way, getting diversity guesses wrong should at worst only cause inconvenience, not threaten safety.

    And of course the thermal element in CBs already allows for reasonable temporary overloads.

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