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18th Edition training is it only for electricians?

Martine Dushime

I am writing to request assistance from a technical query related to 18th Edition Wiring regulation. I am told that this training is only for electricians and no other engineers. Is this correct?

What it is, I am a qualified Electrical Engineer from academics in HV and energy engineering and never worked on LV installations or related where some digging involvement required too before then. In my employment, my electrical manager who was also HV and LV qualified booked me on the 18th edition training but then he left and another manager I was given who is Mechanical  has said that the 18th edition is for electricians or NVQ only and that my academics qualifications are enough and that I should carry the LV installations works but I am not comfortable because I have not worked on LV installations as such and concerns of H&S. He is saying that I don't need the training at all because I have a master in HV engineering and I tried to explain that they are not the same and regulations are different but not listened too. Could you assist with this and provide your comment from a professional point of view?  That means he want to take me off this training and that I should not attend this training?

My background is: A qualified Electrical Power Engineer with no LV installations background or related, would this not be reasonable to attend? or would academic and HV qualification mean that the person can carry out 18th edition LV installation works on industrial or domestic type of environment without the 18th edition?

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    [MD] “I am writing to request assistance from a technical query related to 18th Edition Wiring regulation. I am told that this training is only for electricians and no other engineers. Is this correct?”

     

    [Z] Any training is beneficial to anyone who wishes to enhance their learning. Additional knowledge is of value.

    Absolutely.

    I am puzzled by the discussion. Many eminently sensible things have been said. Such as:

    • Being an EE trained on HV installations does not mean in any way that you know much at all about LV installations. It is really different stuff.
    • In particular, if you haven't actually read and used (in earnest) the wiring regs then you need to do so before even thinking about assessing LV installations.
    • A book-learning course on the regs is a good idea (if only because it will get you to pay attention to the boring bits you would otherwise have skipped if learning on your own), but it will not qualify you to assess LV installations or to install LV kit reliably and conformably.

     

    In Germany, you get to be an EE by completing a university course specifically in EE. Then you can join the VDE (the electrotechnical engineering professional society). That is the way to go for an HV EE. If you want to assess or install LV kit, though, you have to 

    • take LV courses at a training institution, and
    • apprentice yourself for 2000 hours to an authorised electrician, and
    • pass your electrician exams.

     

    Who would want it otherwise?

    Given that, I can't see that the situation Martine described could arise in Germany.

    And LV stuff for buildings is different from LV stuff for EVs is different from LV aircraft electrics. 

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    [MD] “I am writing to request assistance from a technical query related to 18th Edition Wiring regulation. I am told that this training is only for electricians and no other engineers. Is this correct?”

     

    [Z] Any training is beneficial to anyone who wishes to enhance their learning. Additional knowledge is of value.

    Absolutely.

    I am puzzled by the discussion. Many eminently sensible things have been said. Such as:

    • Being an EE trained on HV installations does not mean in any way that you know much at all about LV installations. It is really different stuff.
    • In particular, if you haven't actually read and used (in earnest) the wiring regs then you need to do so before even thinking about assessing LV installations.
    • A book-learning course on the regs is a good idea (if only because it will get you to pay attention to the boring bits you would otherwise have skipped if learning on your own), but it will not qualify you to assess LV installations or to install LV kit reliably and conformably.

     

    In Germany, you get to be an EE by completing a university course specifically in EE. Then you can join the VDE (the electrotechnical engineering professional society). That is the way to go for an HV EE. If you want to assess or install LV kit, though, you have to 

    • take LV courses at a training institution, and
    • apprentice yourself for 2000 hours to an authorised electrician, and
    • pass your electrician exams.

     

    Who would want it otherwise?

    Given that, I can't see that the situation Martine described could arise in Germany.

    And LV stuff for buildings is different from LV stuff for EVs is different from LV aircraft electrics. 

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