WHY CANNOT AN ELECTRICAL ENGINEER BE A QS.

Are you sure the IET has any input to this?

Obviously for the much younger electricians “Auditable evidence of relevant historical industry recognized electrical installation competency-based qualifications” is not possible, so that probably does leave them with having to meet the requirement of having a NVQ.

But the degree qualified electrical engineer may have neither.

“Why can’t a doctor be a nurse” may be a similar consideration, but there is much that stands in the way to achieve this. Application would need to be made to the Nursing and Midwifery Council and they may point out gaps in essential training requirements. I guess a definite route was not provided to facilitate what is likely to be a relatively rare option. 
Similarly, it may be that a route from electrical engineer to installation electrician is not a usual one but happily there is a clearly defined path should an engineer wish to pursue it. He will have to undertake a NVQ L3 plus AM2 to achieve minimum qualification status. I would say fair enough to that.
JPs question actually related to the qualification requirements of a QS. Requiring them to be NVQ L3 is probably fair for most circumstances but I can see no justification for preventing a person with JPs qualifications and experience  in performing that role providing the bolt-on qualifications of 18th Edition and 2391 are in place. 
Like the doctor could provide competent managerial oversight for a cohort of nurses, so an electrical engineer could provide similar to a cohort of electricians. 
Needs re-thought methinks.
 

Can I point out possibly exceptional circumstances.

The Registered Enterprise may never be registered for self certification for Part P and never actually do any domestic installation work.

It may only do commercial, industrial or agricultural work. or perhaps, more relevant to this discussion, the Registered Enterprise may only ever do electrical inspections and prepare EICRs or undertake electrical installation design work.

lyledunn: 
“Why can’t a doctor be a nurse” …

Ah yes, but nurses are allowed to do medical work these days. Just see what happens when you seek medical attention after falling off your ladders. Will you see a doctor or a nurse? ?

Long story, I ended up with a couple of stray ferrets and took them to the vets. A woman rushed in carrying a rabbit and the receptionist quietly said to me “we will let the rabbit go first it's dead, I can see that, but the vet needs to confirm it”.

Sometimes you need the authority to state the obvious.

From now on every-time I see someone slavishly following a paper trail I will think of the “Sparkingchip`s Rabbit” !

ebee: 
 

From now on every-time I see someone slavishly following a paper trail I will think of the “Sparkingchip`s Rabbit” !

It was one of those golden Monty Python type never to be forgot moments, bearing in mind I was holding two very fit and active ferrets at the time who were showing a great interest in the dead rabbit.

I have just completed the paperwork for a rented flat with an EIC for the new cooker circuit, an EICR and a smoke alarm inspection certificate along with an invoice, a total of nineteen pages of documents.

Now I am wondering who on earth really wants to be a QS and be responsible for sorting all the paperwork out.

I listening to Fix Radio on the way home in my van a few weeks ago and a guy was talking about setting up your own business as a tradesperson, he said that as you build your business you can end up with a job that you never planned to have and don't particularly enjoy, eventually you just want to restrict the work you do and go back to actually being a craftsperson again rather than a manager and administrator.

I have been a member of this forum for eighteen years and an electrician for over twenty years, there has been some big changes in that time.

Sixteen years ago when I signed up with NAPIT we faxed the part P Notifications to them, then they posted the documentation to the local councils, mainly of whom actually shredded it rather than filing it, I know my local council did.

Yesterday I migrated from the NAPIT Desk Top certificate software to the new Fast Test software, I downloaded it and used the Desk Top backup files to migrate, but could not quite get it working as it should.

After a few attempts I got through to the NAPIT IT guys and one of them took control of my PC from his desk in Mansfield using Teamviewer and completed the set up whilst I talked to him on my mobile phone and he explained what he was doing as he literally used my PC.

You have to remember just how much things have moved on in the last two decades and realise that the electricians who are actually trying to keep up to speed with how things have changed and developed are not working in the way they were twenty years ago, particularly the self employed guys who have to perform every duty including being their own QS.