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Pollution categories and their effects on EICR's

Hi Guys & Gals,

So an interesting topic cropped up the other day in regards to the pollution category rating for BS EN60898 devices and thought I would share with the group ?

It is part of the larger question of where BS7671 ends and other standards start in relation to EICR's.

It is usually a fairly obvious line and often excludes a lot in a non domestic situation!

So to the crooks of it;

You are working in a pollution cat 3 environment and the devices are BS EN 60898, a deviation from standard, but these devices are in what is a site built panel which (known or unknown to the installer)  falls outside of BS7671 and in to the realms of 60204 and or 61439. There is no markings, paperwork oh hint of CE/UKCA, the equipment is similar to that you might find in any installation yet housed in a bespoke panel like construction.

In BS7671 terms (which we know do not apply here) you might say the control panel has defects which make it's safety questionable and simply FI for the Tech file of CE documentation to confirm compliance.

Where do you stop using the EIRC for reporting and what might you use instead where a client requests full site inspection…

Discuss away!

Martyn

 

 

 

 

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  • davezawadi (David Stone): 
     

    One might find that the environment is not aligned to the components selected, but that is not dangerous as such is it? Comments and a C3 appear to be indicated. If the situation is actually dangerous (water pouring over equipment for example) then we have C1 or C2. In principle, I do not see the problem. An EICR is not an exercise to find non-compliance with some standard, it is exclusive to BS7671, although many people attempt to expand it, usually to charge money. See 651.2.

    Codes aside as no two inspectors agree and panels are not code-able to BS7671 in any case. 

    When panels are built they require CE/UKCA marking to confirm compliance with the relevant standards and documentation in the tech file, in the absence of all that BS7671 doesn't really offer much guidance.

    In strict EICR terms all we could really do is FI for A N Other to verify it is safe. 

    We cannot verify the equipment as in any particular condition as we have no markings or documentation  to suggest either way. 
     

    In the case of this post, the original designer may well have decided Pollution Cat 2 devices are perfectly adequate, we would just have no way of knowing. 

    The other option would be to verify the equipment meets the required standard 60204 / 61439 as the examples given,  but as stated this is far outside the scope of 7671.
     

    We could simplify the question and ask ‘what if a standard consumer unit was installed in such an environment? ‘
     

    Most inspectors would then be fairly confident at coding this as not within manufacturers specification for the equipment, again the codes here would vary wildly depending on a persons knowledge, ability to assess the risk and maybe even their own/insurers risk profiles. 


    Fun and games!

     


     

     

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  • davezawadi (David Stone): 
     

    One might find that the environment is not aligned to the components selected, but that is not dangerous as such is it? Comments and a C3 appear to be indicated. If the situation is actually dangerous (water pouring over equipment for example) then we have C1 or C2. In principle, I do not see the problem. An EICR is not an exercise to find non-compliance with some standard, it is exclusive to BS7671, although many people attempt to expand it, usually to charge money. See 651.2.

    Codes aside as no two inspectors agree and panels are not code-able to BS7671 in any case. 

    When panels are built they require CE/UKCA marking to confirm compliance with the relevant standards and documentation in the tech file, in the absence of all that BS7671 doesn't really offer much guidance.

    In strict EICR terms all we could really do is FI for A N Other to verify it is safe. 

    We cannot verify the equipment as in any particular condition as we have no markings or documentation  to suggest either way. 
     

    In the case of this post, the original designer may well have decided Pollution Cat 2 devices are perfectly adequate, we would just have no way of knowing. 

    The other option would be to verify the equipment meets the required standard 60204 / 61439 as the examples given,  but as stated this is far outside the scope of 7671.
     

    We could simplify the question and ask ‘what if a standard consumer unit was installed in such an environment? ‘
     

    Most inspectors would then be fairly confident at coding this as not within manufacturers specification for the equipment, again the codes here would vary wildly depending on a persons knowledge, ability to assess the risk and maybe even their own/insurers risk profiles. 


    Fun and games!

     


     

     

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