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Pollution categories and their effects on EICR's

Hi Guys & Gals,

So an interesting topic cropped up the other day in regards to the pollution category rating for BS EN60898 devices and thought I would share with the group ?

It is part of the larger question of where BS7671 ends and other standards start in relation to EICR's.

It is usually a fairly obvious line and often excludes a lot in a non domestic situation!

So to the crooks of it;

You are working in a pollution cat 3 environment and the devices are BS EN 60898, a deviation from standard, but these devices are in what is a site built panel which (known or unknown to the installer)  falls outside of BS7671 and in to the realms of 60204 and or 61439. There is no markings, paperwork oh hint of CE/UKCA, the equipment is similar to that you might find in any installation yet housed in a bespoke panel like construction.

In BS7671 terms (which we know do not apply here) you might say the control panel has defects which make it's safety questionable and simply FI for the Tech file of CE documentation to confirm compliance.

Where do you stop using the EIRC for reporting and what might you use instead where a client requests full site inspection…

Discuss away!

Martyn

 

 

 

 

  • davezawadi (David Stone): 
     

    One might find that the environment is not aligned to the components selected, but that is not dangerous as such is it? Comments and a C3 appear to be indicated. If the situation is actually dangerous (water pouring over equipment for example) then we have C1 or C2. In principle, I do not see the problem. An EICR is not an exercise to find non-compliance with some standard, it is exclusive to BS7671, although many people attempt to expand it, usually to charge money. See 651.2.

    Codes aside as no two inspectors agree and panels are not code-able to BS7671 in any case. 

    When panels are built they require CE/UKCA marking to confirm compliance with the relevant standards and documentation in the tech file, in the absence of all that BS7671 doesn't really offer much guidance.

    In strict EICR terms all we could really do is FI for A N Other to verify it is safe. 

    We cannot verify the equipment as in any particular condition as we have no markings or documentation  to suggest either way. 
     

    In the case of this post, the original designer may well have decided Pollution Cat 2 devices are perfectly adequate, we would just have no way of knowing. 

    The other option would be to verify the equipment meets the required standard 60204 / 61439 as the examples given,  but as stated this is far outside the scope of 7671.
     

    We could simplify the question and ask ‘what if a standard consumer unit was installed in such an environment? ‘
     

    Most inspectors would then be fairly confident at coding this as not within manufacturers specification for the equipment, again the codes here would vary wildly depending on a persons knowledge, ability to assess the risk and maybe even their own/insurers risk profiles. 


    Fun and games!

     


     

     

  • davezawadi (David 

    • I would add another point. The OP says a “full site inspection”, just what does that mean. Are you qualified, have PI insurance etc. I rather doubt it? It is very unwise to go outside scope, as you will see if you watch some of the Grenfell inquiry, where just about everyone concerned has operated outside of their zone of competence, even the fire brigade! Full knowledge and experience of the machinery regulations, for example, requires a lot of experience across quite a wide range of disciplines, and control panels would be here not BS7671.

    I tend to live by ‘You dont know what you dont know’  

    Half the time you barely even know what you think you know, that said I do have the additional insurances for panels, controls, automation, gas systems etc etc. 

    Fixed Electrical  (Extent) there isn't much there really, just not arranged or installed very well, some of it looks to have been DIY and outside 7671 scope albeit likely not intentionally or even consciously!  

    Yes Grenfell, what a s**tshow, even the construction basics seem to have eluded the ‘experts’ an indictment to the whole design and construction industry.