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BS 1363 13A Socket Continuous Max Load

Let me start by saying this is NOT about the maximum load of a double socket outlet, that has been done before!

At a recent Elex “seminar” Darren Staniforth from Scolmore made a comment that BS1363 socket outlets were only tested for 8A continuous load. This was news to me because my 1995 version of BS1363-2 says for the Temperature rise test the connected load will be 14A for a minimum continuous period of 4hours or longer until stability is reached and max duration of 8hours. 

If I recall the comments at Elex correctly, he then went on to say the latest version of BS1363 made provision for socket outlets to have a continuous load of 13A to cater for equipment like EV chargers ("granny cable") and these “plug and play” 13A hot tubs that seem so popular now. Also that some manufacturers (maybe Scolmore?) were now making socket outlets to accommodate these large loads of long continuous periods.

So my question is, does anybody know what BS 1363-2:2016+A1:2018 says about continuous loads that is different from before? And if there is a change which manufacturers are making socket outlets to the latest standard?

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  • Having said that how long does it take for a 14 amp load to blow a 13 amp fuse?

    Well, more or less ‘forever’.

    Actually a typical 13A fuse will carry 20A for long enough to get the pins hot enough to give you a nasty burn  and to weaken the springs in the holder and the socket. (10^3 seconds is about 15-20mins, and 10^4 seconds is something more like 3 hours… ).  There is no safety value in 13A fuses on a  circuit covered by a16A MCB, and not that much point in 13A fuses supplied by 20A MCBs, as the range of  fault cases where the 13A lets go first is pretty narrow.

     

     

    The two curves represent  the 'all fire' and the 'never fire' conditions - real fuses have a considerable spread due to wire tolerances and variation in alloy mixture and so forth, and then on top of that the environment, i.e. how well the fuse caps are cooled, has an effect at on the exact boundary shape - if the fuse is running hot, then it  takes less of an overload (time or duration) to melt it.
    Actually all fuses and breakers are like this really, just for BS 7671 we are more interested in the 'all fire' condition, and concentrate on that side of the curve, and often assume that the other limit might as well be a single value, the rating on the fuse body, which it isn't.

    The unfused adapators are a bit of a throwback - remember these ? ( flameport website) My grand parents place had loads, on circuits protected by 15/20 amp fusewire.

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  • Having said that how long does it take for a 14 amp load to blow a 13 amp fuse?

    Well, more or less ‘forever’.

    Actually a typical 13A fuse will carry 20A for long enough to get the pins hot enough to give you a nasty burn  and to weaken the springs in the holder and the socket. (10^3 seconds is about 15-20mins, and 10^4 seconds is something more like 3 hours… ).  There is no safety value in 13A fuses on a  circuit covered by a16A MCB, and not that much point in 13A fuses supplied by 20A MCBs, as the range of  fault cases where the 13A lets go first is pretty narrow.

     

     

    The two curves represent  the 'all fire' and the 'never fire' conditions - real fuses have a considerable spread due to wire tolerances and variation in alloy mixture and so forth, and then on top of that the environment, i.e. how well the fuse caps are cooled, has an effect at on the exact boundary shape - if the fuse is running hot, then it  takes less of an overload (time or duration) to melt it.
    Actually all fuses and breakers are like this really, just for BS 7671 we are more interested in the 'all fire' condition, and concentrate on that side of the curve, and often assume that the other limit might as well be a single value, the rating on the fuse body, which it isn't.

    The unfused adapators are a bit of a throwback - remember these ? ( flameport website) My grand parents place had loads, on circuits protected by 15/20 amp fusewire.

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