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BS 1363 13A Socket Continuous Max Load

Let me start by saying this is NOT about the maximum load of a double socket outlet, that has been done before!

At a recent Elex “seminar” Darren Staniforth from Scolmore made a comment that BS1363 socket outlets were only tested for 8A continuous load. This was news to me because my 1995 version of BS1363-2 says for the Temperature rise test the connected load will be 14A for a minimum continuous period of 4hours or longer until stability is reached and max duration of 8hours. 

If I recall the comments at Elex correctly, he then went on to say the latest version of BS1363 made provision for socket outlets to have a continuous load of 13A to cater for equipment like EV chargers ("granny cable") and these “plug and play” 13A hot tubs that seem so popular now. Also that some manufacturers (maybe Scolmore?) were now making socket outlets to accommodate these large loads of long continuous periods.

So my question is, does anybody know what BS 1363-2:2016+A1:2018 says about continuous loads that is different from before? And if there is a change which manufacturers are making socket outlets to the latest standard?

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  • My understanding is that back in the 1940’s when the design of 30 amp socket ring circuits was developed to allow more sockets with less cable than 15 amp radials, is that the circui design would allow two 3 kW loads to be connected, which would most like be an electric fire or electric heater in a home where only the primary living room was heated by an open fire burning coal.

    People did not have washing machines and the other appliances found in modern homes, the supplementary heating from an electric fire or electric heater would rarely be used, people did not use bedrooms as living space and went to bed with a quilt and a hot water bottle.

    Modern portable electrical appliances rarely draw more than 10 amps and the only time we see burnt out sockets is because of misuse or a high resistance due to corrosion. 

    I am not seeing a particular issue with overheated sockets, because none of the sockets run at “full capacity“. 

    However I didn’t actual realise that manufacturers had decided  they could value engineer their products based on an assumption they would never be fully loaded, which in truth they probably never will be unless people use multi-way adapters.

    We really should be coding a lack of sockets in homes where multi-way adapters and extension leads are in use when preparing an EICR, because of the increased risks.

     

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  • My understanding is that back in the 1940’s when the design of 30 amp socket ring circuits was developed to allow more sockets with less cable than 15 amp radials, is that the circui design would allow two 3 kW loads to be connected, which would most like be an electric fire or electric heater in a home where only the primary living room was heated by an open fire burning coal.

    People did not have washing machines and the other appliances found in modern homes, the supplementary heating from an electric fire or electric heater would rarely be used, people did not use bedrooms as living space and went to bed with a quilt and a hot water bottle.

    Modern portable electrical appliances rarely draw more than 10 amps and the only time we see burnt out sockets is because of misuse or a high resistance due to corrosion. 

    I am not seeing a particular issue with overheated sockets, because none of the sockets run at “full capacity“. 

    However I didn’t actual realise that manufacturers had decided  they could value engineer their products based on an assumption they would never be fully loaded, which in truth they probably never will be unless people use multi-way adapters.

    We really should be coding a lack of sockets in homes where multi-way adapters and extension leads are in use when preparing an EICR, because of the increased risks.

     

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