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Very long run of LV Cabling

Hi all,

 

im looking at a project where the landlords LV cut out is approx 850 metres from the proposed tenants installation. The earthing arrangement is TT and protected by a time delayed 300ma RCD and a 63A MCCB.

 

The landlords sub main is going to be 2 x 4C 95mm2 in parallel buried in the ground to supply 20KVA worth of power. This achieved a volt drop of 1.6% which leaves 1.9% VD for lighting. From my Amtech calcs I also get about 1ka at the load Dis board (Phase fault)

 

im not worried about Earth Loop because of the RCD, but i am thinking about the adibatic of the phase conductors. If the tenant puts a long run of cabling in, this will comply from a Zs perspective, but could there be issues with the line under a phase to neutral /phase to phase fault as the cable could slowly cook under a lowish load without tripping the breaker. Is this a valid concern? Amtech isn’t throwing up any faults, but just wanted your thoughts.

 

thanks in advance

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  • Not too sure how high power a gas engine or gas turbine based genset can be made, I suspect a MW is not too foolish an idea. Certainly propane is a cheaper genset fuel than petrol - there is one that goes to the smaller scout camps that made the switch to calor gas a few years ago.

    One of the reasons for using multiple gensets in a large field is the problem of voltage drop over distance, and the sudden step up in the complexity of the H and S environment that surrounds everything over 1kV line to line. 

    If the regulations did not step change, then a field of a km or two across, it would be a lot more ‘green’ and more economic use a at low-ish HV in the 1- 3kV range to either bring mains to site or  to run out lines from central generation , and then use the Hiab to  drop transformers at the places where otherwise there would have to be gensets. (*)

    Coming back to batteries and inverters, if you look at the batteries on the Rolls-Royce electric aircraft Spirit of Innovation,  that uses a half tonne 750V DC 6000 cell battery of ~ 70kWhr capacity capable of about 15 mins of flight, and giving up to half a megawatt steady state and short bursts of 150% of that  for take off. That sort of power with mains inversion  would do to give you time to start the genset if central power failed at your festival.

    Mike.

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    There is no technical reason not to do this already - flexible cables and connectors for the low kV range are already common in South African mines, and they can be made very safe - the obstacle here is largely regulatory.

     

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  • Not too sure how high power a gas engine or gas turbine based genset can be made, I suspect a MW is not too foolish an idea. Certainly propane is a cheaper genset fuel than petrol - there is one that goes to the smaller scout camps that made the switch to calor gas a few years ago.

    One of the reasons for using multiple gensets in a large field is the problem of voltage drop over distance, and the sudden step up in the complexity of the H and S environment that surrounds everything over 1kV line to line. 

    If the regulations did not step change, then a field of a km or two across, it would be a lot more ‘green’ and more economic use a at low-ish HV in the 1- 3kV range to either bring mains to site or  to run out lines from central generation , and then use the Hiab to  drop transformers at the places where otherwise there would have to be gensets. (*)

    Coming back to batteries and inverters, if you look at the batteries on the Rolls-Royce electric aircraft Spirit of Innovation,  that uses a half tonne 750V DC 6000 cell battery of ~ 70kWhr capacity capable of about 15 mins of flight, and giving up to half a megawatt steady state and short bursts of 150% of that  for take off. That sort of power with mains inversion  would do to give you time to start the genset if central power failed at your festival.

    Mike.

    (*)

    There is no technical reason not to do this already - flexible cables and connectors for the low kV range are already common in South African mines, and they can be made very safe - the obstacle here is largely regulatory.

     

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