C&G 2919 EV Charging. What a con.

A link to one of the copies for sale now. It all looks genuine to me, but how would one know it is counterfeit, if it is counterfeit?

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Moderator edit: Whilst the info is helpful, we don't want to boost their sales (?), so we've disabled the link.

I bought a dodgy copy of the IET PAT COP from an Amazon supplier, my bad review was taken down, I did get my money back.

Don’t buy IET books through Amazon and EBay unless you are 100% sure who’s selling it to you.

Thank you for the heads up on this. The IET doesn't produce spiral bound copies so this one is not genuine - we'll get the listing removed. Our guidance on avoiding fake copies can be found at Fake awareness - Electrical (theiet.org).

@alanblaby 

Are you having a better day today?

I told my wife about your training day, her comment was that some trainers and training companies just don’t get it, they think that do long everyone passes and walks away with a certificate the jobs a goodun.

They don’t actually seem to grasp that you are going to actually make a living and hopefully more from what you have learnt, so you really do want to understand every detail.

A better day today, yes, as I was earning money rather than giving it away for a useless certificate.

Yes, the Course was only held to make people pass. It gave very little insight into any of the details required to be a good installer of these things.

One of the points that lured me to this course was the line “We will also provide you with a ‘Guide to EV Grant Funding and OLEV Registration’  on completion of the course to give you assistance on gaining the ‘Manufacturers Approval’ and how to complete your OLEV Registration.”

Yes, they did give us a ‘guide’. it was 4 sheets of A4 with a list of manufacturers and web addresses to get more information.

The Supervisor at work today told me about his course, the Tutor got them to completely install a charge point, and then got a car in to see what the display says, and went through varying scenarios to show them faults with the charger/interface. We did not even see inside an EV charger, never mind one that was powered up. And now I'm ‘competent’ to fit them.

Alan, firstly I would ask for my money back, I would then inform City and Guilds of your experience. Clearly the Centre is not adhering to the scheme requirements and this needs to be  vigorously rooted out. 
Further, I do not think that OZEV specifically requires the 2919, merely that you have attended some kind of training in EVSE installation.

Having set the 2919 programme up in my own Centre at it’s inception, I expressed my disdain for the quality of the assessment to the EQA who relayed my concerns to City and Guilds. In particular, I thought the multiple choice paper to be nothing short of a joke! 
 

Sparkingchips wife is on the money!
 

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Given the declared statement by the IET administrators, could we assume that the second statement is misleading and could be regarded as being in contravention with the trades discription act ?

Legh

I imagine they have indeed verified that the seller exists, has a UK address and phone no.  or whatever, and is presumably not going to take your money and evaporate.  I can't see how a team of half a dozen folk in Dorset can sensibly verify that all 30k plus  products from those thousand plus vendors are legit however, so I imagine they do not try.

The particular vendor of that book claims to have an address in Plymouth that  looks very like a flat in a council estate. The “legal name” they give  is not registered with companies house, and I suspect it will have moved in a few days to restart photocopying and binding elsewhere...

Mike.

Photocopies would be better quality as they succeed in creating spelling mistakes and numerical errors with the scanning software they use.

The guy on the NAPIT Technical helpline had a smile on his face, I could not see it, but I could tell from the tone of his voice!

https://www2.theiet.org/forums/forum/messageview.cfm?catid=205&threadid=64612

Yes, I would certainly be asking for my money back and reporting to C&G as the required quality and impertiality process is obviously lacking, both the tutor and centre need dealt with. Im afraid this has always been present in technical training and vocational assessmnets if its a requirement that practitioners in industry possess certain qualifications. With some  commercial centres, its stack them high sell them cheap and for those they often cut down on the expected or indicated teaching/learning hours to save on costs, also certain assessments that are meant to be 1:1 are assessed with more candidates, its all to save cost and increase profit.

With electrical contractors where would the vast majority spend their money with a training organisation indicating a high pass rate, can do the training and assessment in a day and outcome a nice shiny C&G or other awarding body cert, or go to another training provider a lower success rate two day training course for the same qualification. Withoutdoubt those in charge of the money pick the quickest and cheapest.

Result is those that are then “Given” the qualifications or did not achieve on their own merit are not only a danger to themselves and those then using or operating future electrical installs they carry out, when those people are found out to be less than competant but Hey they can say they have the cert it devalues the whole awarding body scheme.

C&G and other awarding bodies must know it goes on, I think there needs to be far more unannounced quality assurance visits or “Mystery Shoppers/Delegates” to sort out these dodgy operators.

I will leave everybody with a thought, would you go on a flight where you know the pilot and co-pilot were “Given” their pilots licence? is a technical/competancy electrical training/assessment course any diffrent?

GTB