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Riveting labels to 16 A outlet covers

jbrameld

Looking to tap the impressive hive mind here again.

We have completed an installation of internally-wired theatrical lighting bars which have 16A SPNE BS EN 60309 outlets on them.  These are mounted on 'Smartsocket' backboxes : https://www.robolights.co.uk/products/smart-socket/16a 

The outlets themselves are Walther 410 306 SW like this: 

This image shows the socket mounted to a connection panel but it's the same item we have mounted to the lighting bar.

There is a circuit identifier label affixed to the rear of the Smartsocket assembly, which is easily visible but the Theatre Consultant has stated that they want an identifier in the form of a traffolyte label riveted to the flip cover of the outlet (they won't accept adhesive labels).  We can use plastic rivets which we think will fit, but the label would obscure some of the information on the lid.  We may get away with only obscuring the part number and a bit of the manufacturer name and the CE mark.  The rating information could likely be left still visible.

The environment is indoors in a 'dry' location so there isn't really a need for any specific IP rating.

So to my question: Is there anything from a regulation/compliance perspective that would prevent us from doing this?

Thanks in advance.

Jason.

  • 0 in reply to OlympusMons

    Nobody is drilling into the socket front, just the hinged cover that is spaced well away from the socket outlet. The stuff is indoors in a dry environment. Nylon nuts and bolts could be used. 

    Z.

  • 0

    I think your "consultant" is mad. Surely he/she/it/any-other-designation realises that 60309 lids are not flat, but curved so the labels (unless very small) won't stay put for 5 minutes? All kinds of stuff is likely to get under the label edges and that will be the end of them. I am surprised you are even doing a "dimmer per socket" type install anyway, as everyone else is pretty much DMX for everything, so all sockets just need power, and which is which matters very little. Forget the label that may be on the lid, it matters not. I have always found that permanent laminated plastic labels last very well under severe conditions, and if one or two do get damaged replacing them is simple and cheap. I thought that traffolyte had more or less died the death due to inconvenience, cost, and effort to make labels.

  • 0 in reply to David Stone

    As for the rest of the comments, are you all having a bad day, simple problem, simple answer? CE marks are dead in the UK and the underlying legislation is in the in tray somewhere, but No 10 parties are more important!

  • 0 in reply to David Stone

    OK UKCA (or UKNI) marking rather than CE - but the principles & underlying technical standards remain the same (until the UK decides to change them, which they probably never will in practice).

        - Andy,

  • 0 in reply to AJJewsbury

    In reality of course CE marking is neither policed nor enforced to this level, and the same will be true of UKCA, but I agree, the consultant is clearly not very practical, and it may just prompt a re-think.

    In the meantime anyone using the old phenolic paper based Traffolyte should look up something more modern like Gravoply as an alternative - same idea but thin enough top layer it can be laser cut rather than engraved by cutter, giving very fine resolution and available on a 0.8mm ABS base layer so flexible enough to go on a fairly curved surfaces without cracking- though sadly not able to do curves in 2 dimensions even so. Also available with 3 stacked colour layers allowing rather more than the basic white/brown of old.

    Mike

  • 0 in reply to Sparkingchip

    Thanks all.  Some interesting discussions.  I think we will see if we can get something from the manufacturers.  Personally I would be happy with a good adhesive and if it only obscures the manufacturer part number and not the rest of the info then it would be fine.

    I am dealing with a very 'old school' style consultant with fixed views (the same specification they have been issuing for years and see no reason to change it now!) hence they are being quite insistent.  We can continue the argument though and we'll see where we get to.

  • 0 in reply to David Stone

      These installations are typically fed from a modular dimming rack system.  Different modules can be inserted in the rack slots and most commonly these are dual-purpose and can supply dimmed or hard power, so there is some value in having the circuit references there.  This is still common practice in larger theatre and venue installations with theatre consultants involved.

  • 0 in reply to jbrameld

    Now this is event lighting.

    www.youtube.com/watch

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