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Choice of SWA cable for burial below the water table

I am building myself a small off-grid micro-hydro system.  The turbine hut will be connected to the house by 560m of buried cable (SWA, 10mm^2 chosen for allowable voltage drop) and there is a second 340m leg of thinner cable above the house taking power up to the stream level sensors.

The ground is very boggy moorland and the cable will be below the water table for at least 10 months of the year.  

Having read previous discussions it appears that neither PVC nor LSZH sheathing is really suitable for continuous immersion. (see also https://uk.prysmiangroup.com/media/news/underground

and https://www.molexces.com/webfoo/wp-content/uploads/Water-Ingress-In-Structured-Cabling-Systems-2013-1.pdf).

Which would be better, PVC or LSZH sheathing?  It seems very strange that there is no British Standard for installations like this.

Talking to companies in this field, they say "don't worry about it".  They just use standard SWA cable, directly buried because "that's all that is available" and "the armouring may rust but each core has XLPE insulation that will continue to insulate even when wet".  Sometimes they make a nick in the outer sheath before it enters the turbine hut so that if there is any sheath damage higher up, the water running down past the armouring can drip outdoors rather than inside the switchgear.

I don't want to spend a fortune on submarine-rated cable; equally, it has taken weeks with an 8-ton digger to carve the trench and I really do not want to be replacing the cable in 10 or 20 years' time when the rest of the groundworks should be good for a century or more.

In principle I could thread 50m sections of 63/50 twinwall ducting along the cable before dropping it in the trench.  This would give better protection against sharp stones when back-filling.  If the joints were taped and sealed the downhill sections could then avoid being water-logged but they would probably still be damp.   Part of the cable though runs down a hill, under a stream and back up again, like a giant u-bend, and this would inevitably fill with water.  Ducting would be expensive, both to purchase and install.

One supplier says they could add an outer MDPE or HDPE sheath to improve the water resistance; again, this is an expensive option.  It would terminate with the last 4m inside an outhouse, so it does not run into the house itself.  It seems a bit illogical that the BS standards (I think) prohibit domestic use of PE-sheathed cables on fire-safety grounds but allow the use of PE cable ducting.

Any suggestions?

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  • I presume an overhead line is out of the question.  What voltage are you shipping at - 500 metres is a long way at 230V.

    In practice PVC will be fine for years in a wet duct, but it is slightly porous, and the life of the armour will be determined by the clock starting to tick after the first scratch to the outer jacket. The advantage of a duct is lost on a very long run as it cannot be re-threaded - friction gets to you after a certain length - you have to install manhole covers part way along. Is there perhaps merit in piping only the highest risk U section and providing access covers on either side of that so that it could be replaced and jointed as a short section if required?

    Mike.

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  • I presume an overhead line is out of the question.  What voltage are you shipping at - 500 metres is a long way at 230V.

    In practice PVC will be fine for years in a wet duct, but it is slightly porous, and the life of the armour will be determined by the clock starting to tick after the first scratch to the outer jacket. The advantage of a duct is lost on a very long run as it cannot be re-threaded - friction gets to you after a certain length - you have to install manhole covers part way along. Is there perhaps merit in piping only the highest risk U section and providing access covers on either side of that so that it could be replaced and jointed as a short section if required?

    Mike.

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  • Thanks - see previous reply about voltages.  Yes, the land is owned by the National Trust.  We (and they) are very keen to keep it unspoilt by poles and overhead wires.

    In principle I could replace sections of the SWA cable following water ingress (how would one know?) but I'm also laying an optical fibre so that control systems at the extraction point, cottage and turbine hut can talk to each other, and I don't think that can have sections replaced.  For the fibre I am tempted to pick corrugated steel tube reinforcing as I can have it over-sheathed with HDPE to make it properly waterproof (comparable in price to standard SWA fibre with a PVC sheath) - if successful it should never need replacing.

    One thing I have wondered is whether any obvious damage to the sheath during installation could be patched-up with amalgamating tape to water-proof small nicks.  I'm wary though of using anything that might cause chemical damage to the insulation.

  • XLPE sheathed cable is best for this situation and available, although not easily at wholesalers because it is more expensive. I would expect that it would last a lifetime, it seems to on HV DNO cables etc.

  • Thank you.  The companies I have contacted wanted minimum orders of at least 6 km.  Do you know anyone prepared to sell more modest quantities?