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When cables are downsized without a fuse, question

Hi! Can anyone clear this question up for me.

Based on Design current (Ib) < Protective device rating (In) / rating factors < Tabulated CCC (It), to protect the circuit cable from reaching it's limiting / hazardous temperature:

Why and when is it OK to use a cable that doesn't comply with Ib<In<It? You see it with a 2.5mm cable for an oven on a 32A cooker circuit (maybe on a cooker plate with a hob for example). You see it with lights where the cable goes from say 1.5mm to a 0.75mm flex. Socket spurs can be wired in 1.5mm if I remember right.

On plugged in appliance it's different as there's the fuse to create a new Ib<In<It (or max load<fuse<It).

I see how the main circuit cable needs to withstand the entire circuit design current whereas a flex to a light just has the current load of the light, for example. But if that meant it was safe, why do plug in appliances have fuses and not the other examples I mentioned?

Also, yes a low impedance short circuit or earth fault will trip the MCB/RCBO/RCD quickly if the Zs is low enough, but what if there was a fault letting through enough current to melt the small cable but not to trip the MCB/RCBO/RCD?

Thanks!

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  • On plugged in appliance it's different as there's the fuse to create a new Ib<In<It (or max load<fuse<It).

    Also overload protection (i.e. heavier than anticipated currents flowing in an otherwise healthy circuit) may be provided downstream of the conductor it's protecting as the same current will be flowing in the protective device as in the conductor. That's often the case with industrial motor circuits where the fuse/MCB in the distribution board is rated far higher than the cable and overload protection is provided next to the motor by a special motor overload device (that was it can be more precisely matched to the motor's characteristics and have the convenience of being able to reset it locally). You also see the same principle on domestic ring final circuits where 20A cable (usually 2.5mm²) may be used on a spur from a 32A circuit as long as it's to a solitary socket - the assumption being that the total load on even a double socket won't exceed 20A for any significant length of time.

    The fused 13A plug is itself rather an oddity - in most of the rest of the world domestic plugs are entirely unfused - so 0.75mm² even on a 16A or 20A protective device is very common. Generally it's up to the appliance to prevent overload so the upstream protective device only has to protect the flex from short-circuits - which generally it will do very successfully - at least as far as preventing gross overheating or fire - even if occasionally the flex isn't serviceable afterwards - but given that the appliance it belongs to is already faulty, that isn't a huge loss.

    We only really need fused plugs because we like 30A or 32A protection for socket circuits - and those larger devices are a lot worse at protecting small flexes from faults.

       - Andy.

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  • On plugged in appliance it's different as there's the fuse to create a new Ib<In<It (or max load<fuse<It).

    Also overload protection (i.e. heavier than anticipated currents flowing in an otherwise healthy circuit) may be provided downstream of the conductor it's protecting as the same current will be flowing in the protective device as in the conductor. That's often the case with industrial motor circuits where the fuse/MCB in the distribution board is rated far higher than the cable and overload protection is provided next to the motor by a special motor overload device (that was it can be more precisely matched to the motor's characteristics and have the convenience of being able to reset it locally). You also see the same principle on domestic ring final circuits where 20A cable (usually 2.5mm²) may be used on a spur from a 32A circuit as long as it's to a solitary socket - the assumption being that the total load on even a double socket won't exceed 20A for any significant length of time.

    The fused 13A plug is itself rather an oddity - in most of the rest of the world domestic plugs are entirely unfused - so 0.75mm² even on a 16A or 20A protective device is very common. Generally it's up to the appliance to prevent overload so the upstream protective device only has to protect the flex from short-circuits - which generally it will do very successfully - at least as far as preventing gross overheating or fire - even if occasionally the flex isn't serviceable afterwards - but given that the appliance it belongs to is already faulty, that isn't a huge loss.

    We only really need fused plugs because we like 30A or 32A protection for socket circuits - and those larger devices are a lot worse at protecting small flexes from faults.

       - Andy.

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