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What do you consider a sample to mean during an EICR

I’m interested to hear peoples opinions on how they approach an EICR with regards to a sample? I’m asking because I was recently reviewing a couple of domestic EICRs for a client and raised a couple of questions one being that test results were only recorded for two of the six circuits. The response was that they were employed only to carry out a 20% sample. Personally I’ve always considered a 20% sample to mean that all circuits should be tested but only at 20% of the accessories connected to them will be fully tested and inspected. I’ve also always thought when carrying out an EICR for the purposes of private lettings that this practice is only an option when the previous records are available, and if you do choose to carry out a small sample you’d be likely to widen the search if you found any C2’s or C1s. What is everyone’s thoughts here, how does the community approach EICRs?

I was just surprised to see an unsatisfactory report where the sample hadn’t been widened and where four circuits had no test results recorded, not even Insulation resistance, it’s so quick getting IR results on a single phase board.

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  • We had a third 2391 test rig installed last year. Sparky was keen to please and left a very tidy job indeed. Four subsequent class assessments have now brought it to a state where Sparky would need a re-visit to address what he might see as a bit of a shambles! 
    I would be more inclined to minimise dismantling and carry out fundamental tests without disconnecting where possible. A review of my own EICRs stretching back years will reinforce the point that the emphasis should be squarely on inspection with testing only a supplementary consideration. The vast majority of serious issues were uncovered by inspection. Those serious issues revealed by testing were largely by means where disconnecting was not required although, admittedly, there were quite a few open RFCs over the years. 
    Trying to impose a globally accepted sample set is perhaps a handy tool for the bean counters but every job should be subject to a detailed risk assessment before arriving at a determination on sample size. That is easy for me to say but I appreciate that it would be horrendously difficult to implement in reality. 
    My approach has always been to attempt to arrive at a reasonable assessment of the condition of the electrical installation by minimal disruption and as such I set my own sample sizes. The key thing is that I believe I can justify them. 

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  • We had a third 2391 test rig installed last year. Sparky was keen to please and left a very tidy job indeed. Four subsequent class assessments have now brought it to a state where Sparky would need a re-visit to address what he might see as a bit of a shambles! 
    I would be more inclined to minimise dismantling and carry out fundamental tests without disconnecting where possible. A review of my own EICRs stretching back years will reinforce the point that the emphasis should be squarely on inspection with testing only a supplementary consideration. The vast majority of serious issues were uncovered by inspection. Those serious issues revealed by testing were largely by means where disconnecting was not required although, admittedly, there were quite a few open RFCs over the years. 
    Trying to impose a globally accepted sample set is perhaps a handy tool for the bean counters but every job should be subject to a detailed risk assessment before arriving at a determination on sample size. That is easy for me to say but I appreciate that it would be horrendously difficult to implement in reality. 
    My approach has always been to attempt to arrive at a reasonable assessment of the condition of the electrical installation by minimal disruption and as such I set my own sample sizes. The key thing is that I believe I can justify them. 

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  • I am a bit disappointed that the test rigs are a bit worn Lyle, careful reassembly is very necessary!