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What do you consider a sample to mean during an EICR

I’m interested to hear peoples opinions on how they approach an EICR with regards to a sample? I’m asking because I was recently reviewing a couple of domestic EICRs for a client and raised a couple of questions one being that test results were only recorded for two of the six circuits. The response was that they were employed only to carry out a 20% sample. Personally I’ve always considered a 20% sample to mean that all circuits should be tested but only at 20% of the accessories connected to them will be fully tested and inspected. I’ve also always thought when carrying out an EICR for the purposes of private lettings that this practice is only an option when the previous records are available, and if you do choose to carry out a small sample you’d be likely to widen the search if you found any C2’s or C1s. What is everyone’s thoughts here, how does the community approach EICRs?

I was just surprised to see an unsatisfactory report where the sample hadn’t been widened and where four circuits had no test results recorded, not even Insulation resistance, it’s so quick getting IR results on a single phase board.

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    What has been inspected and tested would have been agreed with the client before starting work on site. What has been inspected and tested should be set out in the "Extent" box in some detail to show what has been inspected and tested and what has not. Also  included in the "Limitations" will be the agreed exceptions to what has been inspected and tested.

    Chris

    If testing a 100 bed hotel you would agree with the client  before work starts what the extent and limitations are to the work. If I&Ting the whole hotel in one hit you may want to use the same method of testing the rooms as set out in my spec. for dwellings. They use a small consumer unit for each room or pairs of rooms with a 3 phase DB at the ends of the corridors either 1 DB or 2 DBs for a long corridor. The DBs being supplied from  a panel board. If not doing the whole hotel in one year maybe over  5 years with 20% a year agreed with the client. If there is a swimming pool present then the swimming pool every year. Industrial kitchens maybe every 3 years.

    651.1 mentions previous documentation and the absence of documentation. IET GN3 provides extensive guidance on periodic inspection and testing.A standard textbook for inspectors in my view.

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    What has been inspected and tested would have been agreed with the client before starting work on site. What has been inspected and tested should be set out in the "Extent" box in some detail to show what has been inspected and tested and what has not. Also  included in the "Limitations" will be the agreed exceptions to what has been inspected and tested.

    Chris

    If testing a 100 bed hotel you would agree with the client  before work starts what the extent and limitations are to the work. If I&Ting the whole hotel in one hit you may want to use the same method of testing the rooms as set out in my spec. for dwellings. They use a small consumer unit for each room or pairs of rooms with a 3 phase DB at the ends of the corridors either 1 DB or 2 DBs for a long corridor. The DBs being supplied from  a panel board. If not doing the whole hotel in one year maybe over  5 years with 20% a year agreed with the client. If there is a swimming pool present then the swimming pool every year. Industrial kitchens maybe every 3 years.

    651.1 mentions previous documentation and the absence of documentation. IET GN3 provides extensive guidance on periodic inspection and testing.A standard textbook for inspectors in my view.

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  • I worked in a large production factory once. It had several teams of fully qualified 24/7 maintenance electricians whose primary job was to keep the production machines running. If a fault developed on an individual machine, or a row of machines or a row of overhead lights, a team member would immediately be dispatched to investigate and hopefully repair the problem.

    I believe that the whole installation was constantly inspected and tested most of the day and night on an ongoing basis. Faults just were not allowed to exist for long. Shut downs were not possible.

    Definition. Sampling is a process used in statistical analysis in which a predetermined number of observations are taken from a larger population. The methodology used to sample from a larger population depends on the type of analysis being performed, but it may include simple random sampling or systematic sampling.

    Edit. Add, I only have Guidance Note 3 for the 17th edition. SHOCK HORROR. But I can't see that it differs much from the newest version.

    Table 3.3 suggests minimum sample sizes for inspection:

    Main switch gear external inspection.

    Main switchgear internal sections and cable terminations.

    Main switchgear internal inspection of circuit breakers and control sections.

    Final circuit distribution boards.

    Earthing and protective bonding conductors.

    All 100 per cent to be sampled.

    Then.......

    Final circuit accessories between 10 to 100 per cent.

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