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LED lamp failure modes

I have just spent 3.5 days chasing down a prevailing fault on a lighting circuit.

The 1st one I found was a low IR between L & E which I traced to a woodscrew through a feed cable traveling through a joist at a 40' angle to emerge into the light fitting. The hanging bracket from which the fitting was suspended had been removed by the plasterer before a skim being applied, the plasterer must have replaced the hanging bracket but used longer screws. Anyway that was fault no 1 sorted - a quick reconfiguration where the loop in/out and switch drop/return were consolidated into a wago box with only a switchwire and neutral going out to the light fitting. This one was odd because there were 2 lives and 2 neutrals leaving the rcbo, both of which fed the downstairs lighting exclusively. The place had been altered and a 2 storey extension added, although I never did find where the old original wiring and the new extension wiring married up. My guess is under the floor somewhere. The other red herring was that they had had a rodent infestation which got the alarm bells ringing.

The next fault was confined to 8 x downlights in the kitchen area. Still part of the same circuit but which tripped the rcbo whenever they were switched on. I took all 8 GU10 downlight fitting down and visually checked their respective connections - all good. I then traced the switchwire and neutral leaving the light switch and IR'd them to each other and to earth - again, all good. The kitchen lights can be switched from 3 different locations via 2 x 2 way and 1 x intermediate switch. I began to think that there was a fault between line/earth in the switch lines when the switches were in a certain configuration but no, nothing.

At this point I was beginning to tear what was left of my hair out and was wondering how to justify the thick end of 3 days fault finding on the invoice.

One other thing I noted was that I could refit 1 x LED lamp into the 1st fitting in the chain from the switch and it would work ok, but when I fitted a second one the trip went. I got to thinking that maybe there wasn't enough current draw to create enough fault current to trip the OPD with only one lamp, but when I added a second 5w LED load via fitting a 2nd lamp, the thing drew enough current for it to fault to earth or neutral somewhere. Having found nothing in terms of a 'concrete fault' I decided to change the LED lamps for new items. Low and behold, everything worked ok and nothing tripped. I added the new lamps one by one until all 8 were back in their lampholders and worked as expected when the switch was operated.

So, having never come across this before, and still being at something of a loss, is it possible for LED lamps to fail in a mode whereby it trips the opd? The lamps in question were Cromptom 5W LED GU10s and I have never had any problems with them before. Indeed, these are the only LED GU 10s I am happy to fit for my customers because they seem to be the most reliable.

Looking back, my first action should have been to replace all of the lamps. This would not have solved the woodscrew through the cable in the lounge light fitting, but it would have prevented what I believe to have been a wild goose chase and a few red herrings.

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  • What type and make of protective device was installed please?

    This situation ain't new...

    diy.stackexchange.com/.../problem-with-gu10-led-bulbs-tripping-out-power

    Z.

  • Having looked at your article zoom, there is indeed a delay-on event when the lights are switched on. I noticed some arcing at the light switch, so I swapped it out. Current imbalance? Perhaps the new lamps (old ones had been in since around 2016) have better designed circuitry?

    OPD is a B6 Hager RCBO. It only ever tripped when I replaced more than one lamp. They must have kept some of the old failed lamps and I was inadvertanlty putting them back. Not a mistake I will make again, since I binned the beggars!

    The lamps were of the pre- COB type and not like today's Crompton replacement.

    I would have thought that the lamp would have just ceased to illuminate rather than go short circuit between L & N.

    It can't have been an earth fault obviously, since there is no earth connection directly to the lamp - only to the GU10 light fitting.

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  • Having looked at your article zoom, there is indeed a delay-on event when the lights are switched on. I noticed some arcing at the light switch, so I swapped it out. Current imbalance? Perhaps the new lamps (old ones had been in since around 2016) have better designed circuitry?

    OPD is a B6 Hager RCBO. It only ever tripped when I replaced more than one lamp. They must have kept some of the old failed lamps and I was inadvertanlty putting them back. Not a mistake I will make again, since I binned the beggars!

    The lamps were of the pre- COB type and not like today's Crompton replacement.

    I would have thought that the lamp would have just ceased to illuminate rather than go short circuit between L & N.

    It can't have been an earth fault obviously, since there is no earth connection directly to the lamp - only to the GU10 light fitting.

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  • I have had at least two incidents of fault finding where I took about two days to locate and rectify the faults in two homes.

    In both cases it was the last part of a final lighting circuit that caused the problem. Isn't it always the last thing that you look at? The cables were buried in the wall so all I could do was to disconnect the faulty section and run a new cable to the final lighting point. It takes time even if you are experienced. I had to take down light fittings and try to divide and conquer. I never saw exactly  what the damage was caused  by, but my tester knew that it was there. The customers happily paid up as in one case the son could not rectify the problem, so they were relieved when I did finally get the lights working.

    Z.

  • "Is it possible for LED lamps to fail in a mode whereby it trips the opd?"

    Yes, I once installed 16 LED feature lights in a garden and found after a couple of months one had blown closed rather than open circuit. Not difficult to solve, once you accept that lamps can go short circuit,  just time consuming.