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Commercial Kitchen Sockets

Good Evening Everyone,

The following issue I have been following for a couple of years now, and it's in regards to 13A sockets burning out in commercial kitchens. Everyone seems to recognise MK sockets and plugs are of a better standard, however, they are still burning out on griddles and fryers. 

Dependent on the client, they are open to changing them to a commando and not worrying about voiding the warranty. The kitchen in question has two 32A feeds and each feed supplies two 1G sockets as each appliance has two plugs. 

After much deliberation I think the most economic solution is to put two 32A surface commandos on each supply then make up a 32A commando connector going into a mini DB with 16A RCBOs and then two 16A flying commandos wired in H07RN cable to supply each connection on the appliances. 

In an ideal world, I would bring in four new 16A supplies from the DB each having its own RCBO. However, the run is long and the client wanted a cheaper option. What are everyone's thoughts on this is I'm open to trying to find a solution as almost every kitchen seems to have the same issue when grease and water are involved. 

Thanks in advance,

Andy

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  • So today I started the job and the back plate on the replacement socket was too big,  a quick tour taking in five wholesalers was unsuccessful as they don't stock them, however Toolstation do, still slightly bigger but rearranging the layout sorted that.

    Time allocated a couple of hours,  time taken over half a day for a simple job replacing a socket and testing three boards, along with the paperwork. 

    I suspect the problem was daisy chained distribution boards with 16 amp leads rather than 32 amp.

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  • In the good ones there is a 16A MCB or RCBO per 16A socket when the input is 32A single or 3phase. Thee are some designs that do not do that,  where you can take up to the whole 32A from one 16A skt so long as you do not load the others heavily.

    But equally you can get failures for all the normal reasons, corrosion, not fully pushed in, loose wiring in the plug etc all adding an extra half an ohm and resulting in an inability to take the full load.

    I do recall adverts for a little wire 'bottle brush' for those sorts of sockets to keep the self heating down,  but I have not seen one in the wild  for years, so  I suspect i is too easy to get  shock off it though.

    Mike.

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  • In the good ones there is a 16A MCB or RCBO per 16A socket when the input is 32A single or 3phase. Thee are some designs that do not do that,  where you can take up to the whole 32A from one 16A skt so long as you do not load the others heavily.

    But equally you can get failures for all the normal reasons, corrosion, not fully pushed in, loose wiring in the plug etc all adding an extra half an ohm and resulting in an inability to take the full load.

    I do recall adverts for a little wire 'bottle brush' for those sorts of sockets to keep the self heating down,  but I have not seen one in the wild  for years, so  I suspect i is too easy to get  shock off it though.

    Mike.

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