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Electrical Vehicle Chargers - No Diversity?

Good afternoon

I have a question to address to more experienced engineers in here about the load calculations around EVCs

Its clearly stated in BS7671 that no diversity should be applied to an EVC

This is a bit weird to me as to the ramifications it has

So, assuming we have a TPN 32A EVC, this means you cant apply diversity and feed it with a 20A MCB. It should always be a 32A MCB

All good

What happens in case you have a DB feeding 5 off these chargers?

Assuming you do not have a load management facility between the 5 chargers, does the 'no diversity' mean I have to assume a DB charged with 5 x 32 = 160A load????

And protect it with 160A, and install a cable for 160A etc etc etc?

Is this what no diversity means for the EVCs?

Always assuming you do not have a load management system installed in the EVCs

Thanks

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  • In my view, in the absence of any form of load control, then no diversity should be applied. 

    If it says 32 amps, then it means 32 amps, and that in turn means 160 amps in total for five such chargers.

    It might be possible to allow a little diversity on a large number of chargers. With say 5 chargers it is reasonable to expect that all 5 will be used at the same time. With say 100 chargers it MIGHT be reasonable to assume that only 90 will be used at the same time. A lot depends on the expected pattern of use.

    100 charging points at a large office building might all be used at the same time if everyone starts work at about the same time.

    100 charging points in say a supermarket car park are less likely to be all used at the same time. Customers arrive largely at random and then leave largely at random. A supply sufficient for say 60 chargers might in practice be adequate. By the time customer 61 arrives, it is likely that one or more of the first 60 will either be fully charged, nearly full, or be unplugged preparatory to driving away.

    In practice some form of automatic load control is very desirable, many types exist. Some even allow for on site solar generation, limiting the total load to say 100 kw from the mains, but allowing a total charging demand of say 150 kw if 50 kw of on site solar generation is available.

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  • In my view, in the absence of any form of load control, then no diversity should be applied. 

    If it says 32 amps, then it means 32 amps, and that in turn means 160 amps in total for five such chargers.

    It might be possible to allow a little diversity on a large number of chargers. With say 5 chargers it is reasonable to expect that all 5 will be used at the same time. With say 100 chargers it MIGHT be reasonable to assume that only 90 will be used at the same time. A lot depends on the expected pattern of use.

    100 charging points at a large office building might all be used at the same time if everyone starts work at about the same time.

    100 charging points in say a supermarket car park are less likely to be all used at the same time. Customers arrive largely at random and then leave largely at random. A supply sufficient for say 60 chargers might in practice be adequate. By the time customer 61 arrives, it is likely that one or more of the first 60 will either be fully charged, nearly full, or be unplugged preparatory to driving away.

    In practice some form of automatic load control is very desirable, many types exist. Some even allow for on site solar generation, limiting the total load to say 100 kw from the mains, but allowing a total charging demand of say 150 kw if 50 kw of on site solar generation is available.

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